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Old 10-24-2013, 02:28 PM
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No one claimed there are no fish in the sea. But I don't think this fellow's experience is meaningless. Large scale, wholesale fish extraction continues apace. Bottom trawling still goes on. Hard to see things getting better before they get worse.

Wholesale extraction of sharks is is almost certainly leading to an increase in seals and sea lions which will eat more fish that sharks ever dreamed of eating. Overfishing and warming seas have led to a rise in jellyfish which imperil commercially attractive fish species. Overfishing is leading to an explosion of Humboldt squid populations which can lead to further decline in desirable species. It's a vicious circle. We big brained humans are too effective for our own good. Not sure what the answers are but pretending there is no problem is not one of them.
We need to get the Japanese interested in eating jellyfish....

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For those interested in how we got here (from a perspective very critical of fisheries modeling) I highly recommend a book, "Useless Arithmetic" by Mr & Mrs Orrin Pilkey.

Blurb from Amazon: Noted coastal geologist Orrin Pilkey and environmental scientist Linda Pilkey-Jarvis show that the quantitative mathematical models policy makers and government administrators use to form environmental policies are seriously flawed. Based on unrealistic and sometimes false assumptions, these models often yield answers that support unwise policies.
That looks like a good book. It put it on my Amazon wish list. I would send a copy to Paul Ryan if I thought he'd read it.
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That looks like a good book. It put it on my Amazon wish list. I would send a copy to Paul Ryan if I thought he'd read it.
I'd send it to everybody in the Congress if I thought anybody in Congress could read. Heck, they should already have it in their library.
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We need to get the Japanese interested in eating jellyfish....
It's a little too late for that for both Japanese and Chinese diners.
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Shocking stuff but not exactly news, unfortunately. There have been warnings about this for years.

The ocean is broken

Boating in all the Fukishima sauce no doubt.....

Funny, not a lot in the news anymore about it arriving here.
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OMG!!!! the ocean is broken, the sky is falling, what are we going to do?
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OMG!!!! the ocean is broken, the sky is falling, what are we going to do?
Could start with some study of the issue and the concept of cause and effect.
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Boating in all the Fukishima sauce no doubt.....

Funny, not a lot in the news anymore about it arriving here.
Prescient post: 7.1-magnitude earthquake rocks Japan, triggers small tsunamis - CBS News
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OMG!!!! the ocean is broken, the sky is falling, what are we going to do?
Don't forget, the planet has a fever.
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Forever isn't that long.
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