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Old 11-05-2013, 12:53 AM
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Please reference for us, where in the Quran it states that women are less equal to men.
I do not recall reading that/those passages.

*Note: Talking about how women are treated in Saudi Arabia, some parts of Africa, or by the Taliban don't count.
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Qur'an, Hadith and Scholars:Women - WikiIslam

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Old 11-05-2013, 03:21 AM
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Ah yes..translations. Dig deeper. Are they literal-honest-modified-reimagined ?

For instance. One of the translators in the text you have provided is named Abu Huraira. A poor man who filled his stomach with Mohammads words. Yet most early Muslims thought he was an idiot who wasted time narrating narratives.

So what great hadiths did Abu provide us with ?

Well...

1) That she monkeys were capable of sexual intercourse and that Abu used to go and stone them.
2) Discussed a man converting to Islam after a wolf hustled him out of one of his sheep.
And of course, the story about Moses beating the crap out of a stone which stole its clothes.

I am still not convinced by your argument. If you are convinced, then by all means believe what you want to believe.

To the OP..sorry for the distraction, I am now finished engaging/entertaining the individual who continues to take your thread topic off its intended path.

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Old 11-05-2013, 05:06 PM
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Ah yes..translations. Dig deeper. Are they literal-honest-modified-reimagined ?

For instance. One of the translators in the text you have provided is named Abu Huraira. A poor man who filled his stomach with Mohammads words. Yet most early Muslims thought he was an idiot who wasted time narrating narratives.

So what great hadiths did Abu provide us with ?

Well...

1) That she monkeys were capable of sexual intercourse and that Abu used to go and stone them.
2) Discussed a man converting to Islam after a wolf hustled him out of one of his sheep.
And of course, the story about Moses beating the crap out of a stone which stole its clothes.

I am still not convinced by your argument. If you are convinced, then by all means believe what you want to believe.

To the OP..sorry for the distraction, I am now finished engaging/entertaining the individual who continues to take your thread topic off its intended path.

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Rather then a dispute over the translation why not take a look at the actual actions the translations provoke.

The original comment that led to this was that Guys thoughts that the Constitution and Islam OK with each other; it is clear that the present day Constitution and what I read on that site have very little if anything at all in common.
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Old 11-05-2013, 05:48 PM
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Ah yes..translations. Dig deeper. Are they literal-honest-modified-reimagined ?

For instance. One of the translators in the text you have provided is named Abu Huraira. A poor man who filled his stomach with Mohammads words. Yet most early Muslims thought he was an idiot who wasted time narrating narratives.

So what great hadiths did Abu provide us with ?

Well...

1) That she monkeys were capable of sexual intercourse and that Abu used to go and stone them.
2) Discussed a man converting to Islam after a wolf hustled him out of one of his sheep.
And of course, the story about Moses beating the crap out of a stone which stole its clothes.

I am still not convinced by your argument. If you are convinced, then by all means believe what you want to believe.

To the OP..sorry for the distraction, I am now finished engaging/entertaining the individual who continues to take your thread topic off its intended path.

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One sect likes hadiths, another sect abhors hadiths.

Some folks write metaphorically and are interpreted literally.

Sometimes that is done just to make a point.
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Old 11-06-2013, 06:57 AM
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One sect likes hadiths, another sect abhors hadiths.

Some folks write metaphorically and are interpreted literally.

Sometimes that is done just to make a point.
I agree.
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One sect likes hadiths, another sect abhors hadiths.

Some folks write metaphorically and are interpreted literally.

Sometimes that is done just to make a point.
And, People pick the one that serves their personal needs and tells us it is Gospel.

So if I believe the worst interpretation and someone else believes the nicest interpretation; what is the reality?
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Old 11-07-2013, 07:10 AM
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So if I believe the worst interpretation and someone else believes the nicest interpretation; what is the reality?
IMO that is one of the most intractable questions in the human condition: Given two world views, where is reality?

I dunno. But I'll go with St Paul on that one: Unto thine own self be true.
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Calm down. Not that kind of "expose".

The United States of America is "an Islamic country with an Islamically compliant constitution," a member of the Department of Homeland Security Council tweeted Thursday.

Muslim DHS Adviser Under Fire for Controversial Islam Tweet | TheBlaze.com
Wonder if this had anything to do with how we got here:
Vern Jarrett, President Jarretts father.



http://patdollard.com/2012/09/obama-vetting-1979-newspaper-article-by-valerie-jarrett-father-in-law-reveals-start-of-arab-purchase-of-u-s-presidency/
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Old 11-08-2013, 09:55 PM
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IMO that is one of the most intractable questions in the human condition: Given two world views, where is reality?

I dunno. But I'll go with St Paul on that one: Unto thine own self be true.
There was some Guy from the Taliban on TV about 4 Months ago He said "Islam is not Democracy". I agree with that.

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