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Idle · #46 11-09-2013, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

Social justice will prevail in the long term regardless of talent.

Economics will prevail in the long term regardless of Social Justice.

Diesel911 · #47 11-09-2013, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I knew BB was stalking me, now you too? Kind of creepy but not surprising.

And that must mean bigotry is a thing of the past right?

Yes but now they do not need to hide who they are and risk being discharged.

Yep. Tail Hook ring a bell?

In that we agree. The old guard will move along and the new guard will take it's place. Hopefully they will be wiser as well.

We can hope but what does History and Human Nature tell you?

Diesel911 · #48 11-09-2013, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

I for one am elated that the U.S now has a Muslim Prez...and that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the White House.

Now the folks just have to work on correct pronunciation of the words: Sharia-Caliphate-Jihad

Gods Will in action?

Diesel911 · #49 11-09-2013, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by strelnik

Try being a Latino in Detroit., you are frozen out, you are the new enemy.

Have Hope; one time it was the Irish that were frozen out.

Diesel911 · #50 11-09-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Idle

During the late 1800's, in Austin, Texas, there was a Blacksmith who was so skillful in his repair of wagons and buggies that people would wait weeks for an appointment. The Blacksmith was Black and all of his customers were White.

Several attempts were made to burn out his shop. When the arsonist were finally captured they turned out to be some of his best customers.

All agreed he was by far the most talented Blacksmith in the area, but he was successful and Black, so he had to go. He was a threat to the economic interests of the existing Blacksmiths who could not match his level of skill.

I have always found this story to be an excellent example of what Racism really is, and that is ignorance. If you are not constantly seeking the highest level of skill, and accepting it from whatever the source, you are harming your own economic interests.

And yes, I understand that the story is far more complex than the moral would imply, but I feel the moral still stands.

Our military is not in a position to pick and choose based on who the Brass would like to see succeed. Their position is one of finding the best talent for their needs. The statement that kicked off this thread is an indication to all that if you think your position, background, religious views and social standing will propel you to rank over a more talented person then you should be aware those days are past.

I think that is only partly true. Part of what gets People promoted in the Military is someone above their Rank that wants to see them Promoted.
In the Military if you want to see some one promoted you can take steps to see that they get the transfers and education needed to qualify for the promotion.

This is just a common small example I saw when I was in the Service. There was several People that were equally qualified go be Sargent. There was a slot coming up in about one Year. I am going to call them the Management; made sure the Guy the wanted promoted was made a Temporary Sargent.
When several possible choices for Sargent went to the Review Board the Chosen Golden Boy was the only one that had the Temporary Sargent experience and the one who got the Promotion.
Was Golden Boy the best qualified for the Job. I don't think anyone really knows because He was given an edge because the Management liked Him.

But, that was in the US Army.
The Navy at least has some tests that if you don't pass you are not getting promoted. But, that does not mean the Management cannot find a way to give their choice an edge when it comes to promotion.

Diesel911 · #51 11-09-2013, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Idle

Before people can be assessed they must be given a chance to prove their worth. If you are not considering every opportunity then you are losing money, and the chance to hire talent is one of the greatest opportunities that exist.

A company that hires only like minded employees is soon left behind. Innovation is the key to success and only a fool would pass up talent that is there for the hiring.

Business giants that have become stale in their thinking and rigid in their decision making are soon overtaken. Managing an enterprise based on what worked in the past is fine if time never moved forward.

An old story goes that Lieutenant General U. S. Grant was a heavy drinker and some considered him unfit for command. When entreaties were made to President Lincoln to have him removed Lincoln is said to have instructed his aides to find out what Grant was drinking and serve it to all his Generals. Grant was considered by many to be less than perfect, but his talent for winning battles could not be overlooked.

Talent is worth the effort it takes to find it, and the Pentagon apparently feels it is necessary to remind everyone of this.

Grant also had incompetent Officers that He wanted moved away from the Fighting that He could not get rid of due to their Political Connections.
So promotion and retention in the Military is a more complicated issue than mere competence then; and still is now.

Diesel911 · #52 11-09-2013, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Idle

Economics will prevail in the long term regardless of Social Justice.

There is a yes and no to that.
Plenty of Companies have incompetent or barely adequate Persons working in there Company at all levels from the Lowest to the Executives.

Being on the lower end of things I am well acquainted with the a Forman who has his incompetent or barely competent Fishing or Drinking Buddy as his assistant Forman.
I am sure that higher up the Ladder there must be Executive versions of the same.

I remember when a Forman Job came up in the Ship Yard and one of the Guys in our shop qualified and besides having gone through the Apprenticeship Program He had going to College and Night an graduated; making Him more qualified than Managements favorite Boy.

What Management did was close the Job opening. When the Guy from our Shop went on Vacation they opened the Job (and you need to re-apply for the Job if it is re-opened) back up and Management got the Man they wanted.

Also the Guy they cheated out of a chance to even compete for the job was is an Afro American.
So was the Guy kept from competing for the Forman's Job because He was Black? I don't know about that.

chilcutt · #53 11-09-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

Gods Will in action?

I prefer to say Allah...but sometimes say God.

You are free to use any reference that you are comfortable with.

Dudesky · #54 11-09-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

I prefer to say Allah...but sometimes say God.

You are free to use any reference that you are comfortable with.

I think he was referring to your query as to MBH infiltrating the WH and it being an action of the Christian God's will.

chilcutt · #55 11-09-2013, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

I think he was referring to your query as to MBH infiltrating the WH and it being an action of the Christian God's will.

I have enough on my plate at the moment...no time to concern myself with such things.

Dudesky · #56 11-10-2013, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

I have enough on my plate at the moment...no time to concern myself with such things.

Good comeback, C.

Diesel911 · #57 11-11-2013, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

I prefer to say Allah...but sometimes say God.

You are free to use any reference that you are comfortable with.

Would that be so if I was in a Muslim dominated Country?

Diesel911 · #58 11-11-2013, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudesky

I think he was referring to your query as to MBH infiltrating the WH and it being an action of the Christian God's will.

Actually I believe the Muslim God is the same as the Christian God. We just dispute the details.

But, more specifically I was actually being a little sarcastic. When a Muslim Suicide Bomber explodes a Bomb in a Market Place killing a maiming People innocent People they say that what happened is Gods Will.

When the USA Kills the some innocent People in a Drone strike Muslims do not consider that Gods Will.

If you believe the Bible is true look at the story of Cain Killing Able. What I got from the story is the motive was over who received Gods Favor and who did not.
Abstractly this is part of the issues between Christians, Muslims and Jews.

I believe the "West" that is predominantly Christian perceives that they have received Gods Favor because they perceive they have a better and more prosperous life then many of the other countries do.

Is it possible that not unlike Cain the Muslims are pissed off at that; and like Cain are using it as an excuse to attack?
A less volatile version would be that the Muslims have turned back to trying to do what they perceive as being more Pious in following the Holy Book because they feel that as the got away from being Pious (following Western ways) they lost Gods Favor.

I think the reality is that no one has Gods Favor and God is determined to let us fight it out.
Added later: So apparently everything is Gods Will.