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Old 11-25-2013, 09:58 AM
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How do you know the country would be screwed? You state it as fact, yet it's never happened and most likely never will. If you said "I think we would be screwed" or "IMHO we'd be screwed" then it's acceptable. The liberty of stating things as fact when indeed they are you opinion- does that work in general for you? I think that's one reason I tend to disagree with some folks so often- they assume opinions are facts. I'm not trying to get snotty- just an observation which might lead both of us to better ground.
You mean like your OP in the thread about Obama's shining example? I don't see any "IMHO"s in that one, nor did it require any. Your OP in that thread is stated in definite, factual language, but I understood it to be your opinion. No, "IMHO" was needed, IMHO.

I think I am fair with my "IMHO"s. Where they are are needed is a judgment call, IMHO.

To answer your question, though, I do not know as a fact that our country would be screwed. That one is way above my pay grade. Before law school, my education was in engineering. I haven't studied history since 10th grade, so the whole Marbury v. Madison thing was brand new to me. I understand that the ruling was controversial. Thomas Jefferson, as I recall, disagreed with it. My reaction upon reading the case was that the ruling was obvious and inescapable, but that reaction was probably the result of my superficial grasp of the historical facts surrounding the case. My question here is to find out what MSFowler has in mind because I don't know how a non-Marbury world would work.


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Old 11-25-2013, 10:24 AM
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You mean like your OP in the thread about Obama's shining example? I don't see any "IMHO"s in that one, nor did it require any. Your OP in that thread is stated in definite, factual language, but I understood it to be your opinion. No, "IMHO" was needed, IMHO.
What did I state as fact which was not backed up by CNN, Yahoo News and the Washington State news wire? That O-care is a debacle? (de·ba·cle
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noun: debacle; plural noun: debacles
1.a sudden and ignominious failure; a fiasco.)


What part of much of the experience of the new law is not a fiasco/failure? Which part does not show ineptitude? I guess you could call that a opinion- but the web site (and the law itself as much of America was planning on utilizing the law thru the site) failed due to ineptitude and it is a fiasco- and those are words which a majority of news sites agree with. Not that a majority of people's opinion make things facts. But your opinion of some theoretical series of events which never happened cannot be equated to what most people believe is ineptitude- heck even the president admits it's at least a partial failure.

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I think I am fair with my "IMHO"s. Where they are are needed is a judgment call, IMHO.

To answer your question, though, I do not know as a fact that our country would be screwed. That one is way above my pay grade. Before law school, my education was in engineering. I haven't studied history since 10th grade, so the whole Marbury v. Madison thing was brand new to me. I understand that the ruling was controversial. Thomas Jefferson, as I recall, disagreed with it. My reaction upon reading the case was that the ruling was obvious and inescapable, but that reaction was probably the result of my superficial grasp of the historical facts surrounding the case. My question here is to find out what MSFowler has in mind because I don't know how a non-Marbury world would work.
Do you think I do that often; state opinions as facts? Please call me out when it happens. I don't believe your previous example fits that bill however.
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:32 AM
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Where's that list of inalienable rights?

The Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution, says that "among these" are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." Yet, we know that none of those three enumerated examples are absolute.
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...What part of much of the experience of the new law is not a fiasco/failure?...
The part that's going to help the lady in Washington state mentioned in the other thread.
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:39 AM
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The part that's going to help the lady in Washington state mentioned in the other thread.
Yet it was when she was not getting the subsidy- and now she is. At the time it was accurate, and may still be. That untold multitudes are down that same path, still- is that okay with you or is that a fiasco?
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:39 AM
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...Do you think I do that often; state opinions as facts?...
Probably so, but I never kept track. I don't think it's difficult to spot opinions for what they are and I have no problem with people stating their opinions without an "IMHO." Sometimes I think it is polite to include one of those, but I don't see any hard and fast rules on it. One place where I probably would have included one would have been following a sentence like the following from your OP in the other thread:
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...I said early and often that there was no need for the right to try and repeal - just wait for it to fail; as it would quickly....
That's pure opinion, as pure as it gets. It might be correct, but it is opinion, IMHO.
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Old 11-25-2013, 10:48 AM
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...That's pure opinion, as pure as it gets. It might be correct, but it is opinion, IMHO.
Let's break that down:
Did I say that there was no need for the right to repeal?

Yes I did. I most likely said it here as well but I'm not going to search my posts to prove to you that's what I was telling some other captains on the dock and here on the site
Did the law fail quickly?
Since the law is basically implemented by utilizing the site itself for the core tenet of the individual mandate- and the site is broken/down in many ways and to many it was/is not accessible - is that success? No, period.
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Old 11-25-2013, 11:00 AM
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Let's break that down:
Did I say that there was no need for the right to repeal?

Yes I did. I most likely said it here as well but I'm not going to search my posts to prove to you that's what I was telling some other captains on the dock and here on the site
That's silly. Of course the part where you said, "I said early and often...," is a factual recitation of your previously stated opinion. That's the sort of distinction one only makes on the internet. It would be too silly to make in an actual conversation.
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Did the law fail quickly?
Since the law is basically implemented by utilizing the site itself for the core tenet of the individual mandate- and the site is broken/down in many ways and to many it was/is not accessible - is that success? No, period.
That is all factual, but it is not what you said previously. Previously you said "there was no need for the right to try and repeal - just wait for it to fail." I understood that statement to mean that the ACA's current troubles will lead to its ultimate demise. If so, then that is pure opinion. If that is not what you meant, then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

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