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Old 12-03-2013, 02:23 PM
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I would have assembled a better team...and monitored progress against an established timeline. And I would have kept my superiors informed of problems.
That's what I would have done. That's what they failed to do.

I have little doubt both you or I could have done a better job than Sebelius.

Let me tell you a story. My daughter called me from LA a few years ago. She had been on her new job out there a few months and her boss put her in charge of coordinating a tour of an entertainer they had under contract. They were flying from Europe to Japan and they hit a snag. One of the band guys left some needed travel documents behind or had not updated someything and he was being denied entry into Japan. She calls me on her way back fron the spenfing two hours in the Japanese consulate in LA in a panic.First thing I tell her was you must call your boss and tell him your problem. I also told her to have a suggestion or two to offer as possible alternatives.
I don't know what she told him or how they got the problem resolved, but the show went on.

"The effective executive gets the right things done." Period.
Ridiculous to try to compare this to that. You have no idea what you're talking about.

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Old 12-03-2013, 03:12 PM
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Given your absolute alliance, had the DNC tweeted that you'd probably be parading it around, right?
I doubt it. I find RNC gaffes to be more humorous than DNC gaffes. I would expect Republicans to feel the same way, only with the parties reversed. Do you see this preference as some sort of character flaw?
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Any honest, fair person would read that for what it is: A statement about Rosa Parks' undeniable courage in standing up for fairness and equality.
That's what an honest, fair person would conclude had they not heard so many Republicans talk about how racism really isn't much of a problem any more. For example:
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"Our country has changed. While any racial discrimination in voting is too much, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions."

Chief Justice Roberts, invalidating a core provision of the Voting Rights Act in Shelby County v. Holder. http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/pdf/12-96.pdf
The ink was barely dry on that ruling before Texas, North Carolina, and probably some of the other usual suspects were back to their old tricks. So, you will excuse me for not accepting the RNC's explanation that they are fully aware that we need to all work together in ending racism.

I never thought or suggested that the RNC's official position was that racism has ended, but they sure as heck like to pretend it's not much of a problem anymore. And even that is beside the point of the thread. My point is that they are politically clueless when it comes to reaching out to non-whites.
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Certainly that was a large stone thrown in a larger pond, and the ripples will likely never settle completely; so long as there are humans there will be those who choose to treat others differently, regardless what they use to distinguish "other." But even if racism truly never ends, that doesn't mean the thrust of their comment is lost...again, at least to an honest, fair person.
You are on shaky ground suggesting that I am dishonest or unfair when all you have to stand on is the GOP's commitment to racial justice.
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In reality, you've done the same thing you are ranting about: if GOP is associated with it, it must be bad. If someone "likes" the GOP, they must also be bad.
Good grief. Talk about leaps of logic. All I said what that the RNC said a foolish thing and that the reason it was foolish is because of the RNC's failure to understand how their statement would be perceived. Where did you get the rest of that crap?
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At some level, your prejudice is just as intolerant and just as unfair.
Intolerant? Probably so. Unfair? Not at all. It's not unfair for me to be biased against the GOP when the only ways I can act on my bias are to speak and vote against them. Even then i try not to let my biases decide my actions, but I am only human. Either way, any bias I might have against Republicans is hardly the same thing as a major political party's bias against acknowledging the extent to which racism is still a problem in this country.

This is a long-winded way of asking you, do you think it was politically smart for the RNC to send that tweet?
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Old 12-03-2013, 04:00 PM
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Ridiculous to try to compare this to that. You have no idea what you're talking about.
Sigh.

So you side with the nitwits who kept quiet and let their boss look like the biggest moron in the world, yes?

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Old 12-03-2013, 06:46 PM
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Old 12-03-2013, 08:19 PM
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Oh don't worry, if the GOP gets too weak the Dems will fragment and fight against each other.....seriously.
No --not really, the republicants tried a ridiculous wheezy attemt to ge them fighting this last couple weeks.

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Old 12-03-2013, 08:48 PM
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I doubt it. I find RNC gaffes to be more humorous than DNC gaffes. I would expect Republicans to feel the same way, only with the parties reversed. Do you see this preference as some sort of character flaw?That's what an honest, fair person would conclude had they not heard so many Republicans talk about how racism really isn't much of a problem any more. For example:The ink was barely dry on that ruling before Texas, North Carolina, and probably some of the other usual suspects were back to their old tricks. So, you will excuse me for not accepting the RNC's explanation that they are fully aware that we need to all work together in ending racism.

I never thought or suggested that the RNC's official position was that racism has ended, but they sure as heck like to pretend it's not much of a problem anymore. And even that is beside the point of the thread. My point is that they are politically clueless when it comes to reaching out to non-whites.You are on shaky ground suggesting that I am dishonest or unfair when all you have to stand on is the GOP's commitment to racial justice. Good grief. Talk about leaps of logic. All I said what that the RNC said a foolish thing and that the reason it was foolish is because of the RNC's failure to understand how their statement would be perceived. Where did you get the rest of that crap?Intolerant? Probably so. Unfair? Not at all. It's not unfair for me to be biased against the GOP when the only ways I can act on my bias are to speak and vote against them. Even then i try not to let my biases decide my actions, but I am only human. Either way, any bias I might have against Republicans is hardly the same thing as a major political party's bias against acknowledging the extent to which racism is still a problem in this country.

This is a long-winded way of asking you, do you think it was politically smart for the RNC to send that tweet?
The issue is not what repubs could have done, or did, or did not do, or anything about the repubs. This healthcare fiasco, website and all is total;y a democrat problem, and more specifically a shinning example of executive incompetence at the highest level. So stop throwing mud at various repubs--they had nothing to do with it.

And yes, I think any reasonably experienced, competent middle manager from any successful enterprise could have handled this with greater skill, and far less cost. It is simple management--not operating by decree--but the hard, painstaking, work of managing a project. The manager doesn't need to know every detail; he/she just needs to know the people who know that stuff, and then hold them accountable, and measure their work.
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:42 PM
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The issue is not what repubs could have done, or did, or did not do, or anything about the repubs. This healthcare fiasco, website and all is total;y a democrat problem, and more specifically a shinning example of executive incompetence at the highest level. So stop throwing mud at various repubs--they had nothing to do with it.
What does racism have to do with your opposition to Obamacare?
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And yes, I think any reasonably experienced, competent middle manager from any successful enterprise could have handled this with greater skill, and far less cost. It is simple management--not operating by decree--but the hard, painstaking, work of managing a project. The manager doesn't need to know every detail; he/she just needs to know the people who know that stuff, and then hold them accountable, and measure their work.
So, a competent manager would not have tweeted about the end of racism? Where are you going with this?
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:44 PM
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Oh don't worry, if the GOP gets too weak the Dems will fragment and fight against each other.....seriously.
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Old 12-03-2013, 09:54 PM
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From Gawker: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R), who's trying to generate buzz for a possible 2016 presidential run, had to fire a campaign aide today for her past racist Twitter rants against Latinos—the second such incident to rock Walker's administration since last summer.

In one, Palmisano, 23, complained about an individual who was doing custodial work in a library in which she was working.

"I will choke that illegal mex cleaning in the library. Stop banging (expletive) chairs around and turn off your Walkman," she posted on March 9, 2011.

Two months earlier, she went to Twitter to write about her bus trip from Pasadena, Calif., to Las Vegas after watching the Wisconsin Badgers play in the Rose Bowl: "This bus is my worst (expletive) nightmare Nobody speaks English & these ppl dont know how 2 control their kids #only3morehours #illegalaliens."

Another tweet: We get to be treated to the incredible chutzpah of hundreds of thousands of these criminals marching in the streets in broad daylight, demanding all the benefits of citizenship from a country whose laws they are breaking even as they are standing there. The illegals themselves have bred the animus that many American citizens feel toward them You may see Jesus when you look at them. I see Satan.



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Again, this is not an isolated case and I know some of you think this is fine and appropriated, but it won't do the GOP any good with the rapid changing American population. Keep on giving GOP and you're on your way of the Dodo.
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:20 PM
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From Gawker: Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R), who's trying to generate buzz for a possible 2016 presidential run, had to fire a campaign aide today for her past racist Twitter rants against Latinos—the second such incident to rock Walker's administration since last summer.

In one, Palmisano, 23, complained about an individual who was doing custodial work in a library in which she was working.

"I will choke that illegal mex cleaning in the library. Stop banging (expletive) chairs around and turn off your Walkman," she posted on March 9, 2011.

Two months earlier, she went to Twitter to write about her bus trip from Pasadena, Calif., to Las Vegas after watching the Wisconsin Badgers play in the Rose Bowl: "This bus is my worst (expletive) nightmare Nobody speaks English & these ppl dont know how 2 control their kids #only3morehours #illegalaliens."

Another tweet: We get to be treated to the incredible chutzpah of hundreds of thousands of these criminals marching in the streets in broad daylight, demanding all the benefits of citizenship from a country whose laws they are breaking even as they are standing there. The illegals themselves have bred the animus that many American citizens feel toward them You may see Jesus when you look at them. I see Satan.



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Again, this is not an isolated case and I know some of you think this is fine and appropriated, but it won't do the GOP any good with the rapid changing American population. Keep on giving GOP and you're on your way of the Dodo.
The irony of Palmisano being anti-latino.
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:46 PM
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The irony of Palmisano being anti-latino.
From one of the commentators:

"They didn't forget anything. Every immigrant group to America becomes White by attacking the next immigrant group, as well as by making themselves not Black. This sort of behavior by Italian-Americans isn't because they've forgotten their mistreatment, it's because they understand that it's how they get accepted."
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Old 12-03-2013, 10:50 PM
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From one of the commentators:

"They didn't forget anything. Every immigrant group to America becomes White by attacking the next immigrant group, as well as by making themselves not Black. This sort of behavior by Italian-Americans isn't because they've forgotten their mistreatment, it's because they understand that it's how they get accepted."
Well if somebody commented then it must be true.
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Well if somebody commented then it must be true.
Oh Botnst, Oh Botnst. No where was that the intention of me posting it, but it's an interesting view that explains why an Italian go's of on Mexicans.

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The irony of Palmisano being anti-latino.
In Peru, I have heard it said:

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Good music,

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Oh yes, you with your superior judgment would have done a much better job!
Now where is MTI ? He should be telling us to stay on topic and not attack members. But it's someone who shares his political views so....

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