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Diesel911 · #1 02-09-2014, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by barry12345

I did not read your refferance article. In some ways your descriptions are right. I have always hoped the report that they wanted peace negotiations that where turned down by the USA was false. If true the military industrial complex or whatever has far too much influence. To me it was an opportunity also missed to cool down Pakistan a little as well.

The resulting costs since that period with so called homeland security and military actions etc have been astronomical. The only change in spending so much money in a military way is just probably delaying the inevitable at best. When forces are pulled out of areas they will just take over in those areas is my opinion. Possibly just by local popular demand.

North American behavours may actually be somehow responsible for their actual growth. Once they rule a sovereign state may produce a more valid platform for them. A lot of effort with propaganda has been expended to label them a religious mania type of organization.

It has always concerned me that the people involved in the execution of 9/11 where by and large qualified engineers. For educated persons they would have to have real reasons to engage in that. Allah would not cut it as a belief. No more than me say having Christianity as a background to do it. Logic alone would prevent me and them from that approach.

Instead I saw it as a message that we are here and you will now hopefully have to deal with us. They had no official channels to address real grievances otherwise. My feeling is the way it was and is being handled is not the answer. Addressing true justifieable grievances is both much cheaper and could disband their activities. Otherwise it just goes on and on. Time also is probably with them.

The most dangerous statement in modern times that was not evaluated properly in my opinion. Was when the president used the sentence you did not earn it. In a complex way it is true. Much of our wealth is a result of taking it from other countries and their people until they have virtually nothing. Or leaving the equivalent behind. Or the absolute refusal to share their wealth by us that is still going on. Being a worlds superpower will not carry this policy much longer. North America got cheap oil and still does to a lesser extent is a good example. Propaganda enabled a good coverup on the methology used. I am not anti north American but a wrong unethical approach by us is still a wrong unethical approach.

No matter what other issues surround the "War on Terrorism" the quesiton still is; what happens if the US does nothing at all?
I believe if the US did nothing the Terrorist would just become more powerful and that would lead to more attacks on the US.

barry12345 · #2 02-09-2014, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

No matter what other issues surround the "War on Terrorism" the quesiton still is; what happens if the US does nothing at all?
I believe if the US did nothing the Terrorist would just become more powerful and that would lead to more attacks on the US.

No trying to maintain the status quo by changing nothing will only continue what is. Actually intensify it. Changing some things that are reasonable grievences of theirs would or should generally reduce it or stop it.

Try this on for size. When I was young it was told (propaganda)that the oil royalties from the large oil companies where shared with the general population of Saudi Arabia. They were all basically rich was the pitch. It turned out this was not true or an outright lie. The oil companies paid only the royal family and they do not share unless threatened.

A year or so ago for the first time to my knowledge. I think the royal family issued a 50k cheque to each poor member of their population as their selfishness issue at last was getting dangerous for them. The royal family and relatives plus extended families basically have endless wealth and a large percentage of the population basically nothing. A higher royalty would have had to be paid otherwise by the oil companies. Ben Laden Came from a fairly well off Saudi Arabian family and in my opinion had too large of a dose of what he saw. There is no other reasonable conclusion I suspect for his motivation. The 9/11 thing could have been prevented and possibly the ensuing consequences.

Americans should think about why they are disliked and the principal and participants for 9/11 that where all Saudi Arabians.. Until problems like this are addressed properly there will be unrest. People cannot wait forever for fair solutions.

For example currently every national citizen of Norway is a millionaire on paper from oil profits. The government will not distribute any of that wealth. At some point there will be some form of blowup. Hopefully it will remain internally and should. Plus it may not involve violence unless other forms do not work. Why not a partial distribution? Is greed without limits today. Sure save a portion for a rainy day fund but basically have to save all of it?

Modern cheap communication worldwide tends to mean that unfair situations no longer are isolated. Propaganda is used to contain them in many ways but is losing its effectiveness at an ever increasing rate.

For example as individuals we have no hard feelings. If I start to unreasonably not pay you properly for something of established value or you recieve no direct benefit from me doing so. At some point animosity will occur.

Greed is a two edged sword. Not smart business especially internationally. Now are we are involved in police type actions again for bad greedy self centered corporate practices? Besides overpaying them perhaps we need more ethical corporate leaders in our corporations for a start. Greedy practices should not be the benchmark for them. Creating the need for very dangerous employment in the military is not an upside either. More a somewhat avoidable sickness. We canadians I notice are being caught out a little more often in some of our international practices.

INSIDIOUS · #3 02-09-2014, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by barry12345

Ben Laden Came from a fairly well off Saudi Arabian family and in my opinion had too large of a dose of what he saw. There is no other reasonable conclusion I suspect for his motivation. The 9/11 thing could have been prevented and possibly the ensuing consequences.

Or, you can take at face value what he himself said in his own words (video tape and transcript exist/no secret) that it was about what the Israelis do to the Palestinians and that the US supports Israel.

Diesel911 · #4 02-09-2014, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by barry12345

No trying to maintain the status quo by changing nothing will only continue what is. Actually intensify it. Changing some things that are reasonable grievences of theirs would or should generally reduce it or stop it.

Try this on for size. When I was young it was told (propaganda)that the oil royalties from the large oil companies where shared with the general population of Saudi Arabia. They were all basically rich was the pitch. It turned out this was not true or an outright lie. The oil companies paid only the royal family and they do not share unless threatened.

A year or so ago for the first time to my knowledge. I think the royal family issued a 50k cheque to each poor member of their population as their selfishness issue at last was getting dangerous for them. The royal family and relatives plus extended families basically have endless wealth and a large percentage of the population basically nothing. A higher royalty would have had to be paid otherwise by the oil companies. Ben Laden Came from a fairly well off Saudi Arabian family and in my opinion had too large of a dose of what he saw. There is no other reasonable conclusion I suspect for his motivation. The 9/11 thing could have been prevented and possibly the ensuing consequences.

Americans should think about why they are disliked and the principal and participants for 9/11 that where all Saudi Arabians.. Until problems like this are addressed properly there will be unrest. People cannot wait forever for fair solutions.

For example currently every national citizen of Norway is a millionaire on paper from oil profits. The government will not distribute any of that wealth. At some point there will be some form of blowup. Hopefully it will remain internally and should. Plus it may not involve violence unless other forms do not work. Why not a partial distribution? Is greed without limits today. Sure save a portion for a rainy day fund but basically have to save all of it?

Modern cheap communication worldwide tends to mean that unfair situations no longer are isolated. Propaganda is used to contain them in many ways but is losing its effectiveness at an ever increasing rate.

For example as individuals we have no hard feelings. If I start to unreasonably not pay you properly for something of established value or you recieve no direct benefit from me doing so. At some point animosity will occur.

Greed is a two edged sword. Not smart business especially internationally. Now are we are involved in police type actions again for bad greedy self centered corporate practices? Besides overpaying them perhaps we need more ethical corporate leaders in our corporations for a start. Greedy practices should not be the benchmark for them. Creating the need for very dangerous employment in the military is not an upside either. More a somewhat avoidable sickness. We canadians I notice are being caught out a little more often in some of our international practices.

Once the USA Supported Israel they were never going to have real Friends in the Muslim World.

So as long a Israel exist the USA is going to get blamed for Israel’s existence.

The attacks on the USA real or threatened have no positive effect on any sort of fair solution. The attacks are merely for the Muslim Masses who think that drawing some Blood makes them more Powerful as they have a culture where revenge is prominent and important.

I say that because if the Muslims had real Power Israel would have been taken over by them.

The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is an invention of the West and the original King was intelligent in picking the West over the Soviet Union and has prospered doing business with the West.

Since the Saudi's no longer need to worry about the Soviet Uninon they have increased their support against the West and being extremely wealthy it is easy for them to provide Money to that end.

So what is fair. The whole area of the Middle East at the end of WWII was either still a Colony of one of the Western Powers a large portion of which was a "War Prize" gained from the Ottoman Empire.

That left the West to do what ever they felt like it with the Territories.

So at what point of History does the unfairness start and how on earth could there be compensation for any past unfairness.

whunter · #5 02-09-2014, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

How did al-Qaida, a tiny anti-communist group in Afghanistan that had no more than 200 members in 2001 become a supposed worldwide threat ?

A little research would have answered the question.

https://www.mi5.gov.uk/home/the-threats/terrorism/international-terrorism/the-nature-of-the-threat/al-qaidas-history.html

Al-Qaeda | Infoplease.com

Al-Qaeda - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Al Qaeda 'disowns' affiliate, blaming it for disaster in Syria - CNN.com

Manning's WikiLeaks breach helped al Qaeda recruiting, prosecution witness says - NBC News

Al Qaeda claims responsibility for
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elchivito · #6 02-09-2014, 02:31 PM

I find militant Mohammedans tedious. They bore me with their blathering. I've decided to ignore them altogether.

Botnst · #7 02-09-2014, 10:38 PM

I wish you had written that in your native tongue.

INSIDIOUS · #8 02-09-2014, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

I wish you had written that in your native tongue.

When you are done licking scrotum pull your tongue out of your hinder and get real, chump.

cmac2012 · #9 02-09-2014, 11:05 PM

There goes the neighborhood.

Obamalamadingdong · #10 02-09-2014, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by chilcutt

How did al-Qaida, a tiny anti-communist group in Afghanistan that had no more than 200 members in 2001 become a supposed worldwide threat ?

http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/articles/07spring/eikmeier.pdf

The presented premise is false, it never was as described. Al Qaeda is simply one of the more recent manifestations along a continuum of Islamo-Supremism a direct offspring of al-Banna and Qutb's Muslim Brotherhood, that can be traced directly back at least to the 1700's of Shah Waliullah and the school Darul Uloom Deoband of the late 1800's, but realistically extends all to way back to Islam's the 7th century founding.

All of which dominated Islamo-Supremist ideology for centuries before even the idea of modern Israel!

Diesel911 · #11 02-10-2014, 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Obamalamadingdong

http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/articles/07spring/eikmeier.pdf

The presented premise is false, it never was as described. Al Qaeda is simply one of the more recent manifestations along a continuum of Islamo-Supremism a direct offspring of al-Banna and Qutb's Muslim Brotherhood, that can be traced directly back at least to the 1700's of Shah Waliullah and the school Darul Uloom Deoband of the late 1800's, but realistically extends all to way back to Islam's the 7th century founding.

All of which dominated Islamo-Supremist ideology for centuries before even the idea of modern Israel!

But, who or what does Al Qaeda think they are?
What are they doing?
And, what goal do they want to achieve?

You historical connection implys that what We refer to as Al Qaeda has been around for a long time but the below has that at the very least Al Qaeda was "born again" more recently;nder new mangement.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/734613/al-Qaeda

Diesel911 · #12 02-10-2014, 03:00 AM

"al-Qaeda, Arabic al-Qāʿidah (“the Base”), broad-based militant Islamist organization founded by Osama bin Laden in the late 1980s.
Al-Qaeda began as a logistical network to support Muslims fighting against the Soviet Union during the Afghan War; members were recruited throughout the Islamic world. When the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan in 1989, the organization dispersed but continued to oppose what its leaders considered corrupt Islamic regimes and foreign (i.e., U.S.) presence in Islamic lands. Based in Sudan for a period in the early 1990s, the group eventually reestablished its headquarters in Afghanistan (c. 1996) under the patronage of the Taliban militia."
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/734613/al-Qaeda

The text in read answers why US Troops were and or still are in Afghanistan.
al-Qaeda is there and the Taliban who declared War on the USA are there.

Up untill I read that article I did not know al-Qaeda was based in Afghanistan.

cmac2012 · #13 02-10-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911

But, who or what does Al Qaeda think they are?
What are they doing?
And, what goal do they want to achieve?

You historical connection implys that what We refer to as Al Qaeda has been around for a long time but the below has that at the very least Al Qaeda was "born again" more recently;nder new mangement.
al-Qaeda (Islamic militant organization) -- Encyclopedia Britannica

The brain cells of the operating mind of AQ do not work well with each other. I gather that ol' #2 in Egypt is distancing himself and the truly dignified parts of AQ from the hotheads, firebrands, and bloodthirsty characters in Syria who have hung an AQ sign outside their door. Must be tough, dealing with crude upstarts trying hard to be initiated in the brotherhood.