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cmbdiesel 04-02-2014 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3311018)
Maybe you missed this:
N.C. State Board Finds More than 35K Incidents of 'Double Voting' in 2012 | National Review Online

That would be 35,000 incidents, in this one State's study.

If it pans out, that is certainly an alarming issue.
I have to admit to being skeptical until more solid evidence is uncovered.

Even so, this issue and others like it, will not be addressed by shortening the available times to vote, or for that matter, voter ID laws.

I think anyone interested in election integrity can find some common sense in this link.
https://www.supportthevoter.gov/files/2014/01/Case-Voter-Registration-Modernization.pdf

INSIDIOUS 04-03-2014 12:09 AM

Yeah, that seems not substantiated.

t walgamuth 04-03-2014 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3311018)
Maybe you missed this:
N.C. State Board Finds More than 35K Incidents of 'Double Voting' in 2012 | National Review Online

That would be 35,000 incidents, in this one State's study.

That does not look like an unbiased source.

Jim B. 04-03-2014 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3311053)
That does not look like an unbiased source.

I still miss William F. Buckley Jr. though

INSIDIOUS 04-03-2014 12:58 AM

Does today still count for 4/1?

t walgamuth 04-03-2014 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim B. (Post 3311063)
I still miss William F. Buckley Jr. though

I couldn't stand him....sounded so pretentious.

MS Fowler 04-03-2014 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS (Post 3311051)
Yeah, that seems not substantiated.

Are you defaming the N.C Board of Elections?

cmbdiesel 04-03-2014 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MS Fowler (Post 3311098)
Are you defaming the N.C Board of Elections?

I'm not defaming them, but I also recognize that they have a dog in this fight, and may only have 'discovered' coincidences which they interpreted as that which they were looking for.

Statistical analysis will prove out whether what they found was real fraud, or a combination of coincidence and clerical error.
I think it is fair to say that they should have done more investigation before jumping head first into the media pool with unsubstantiated assumptions.

If one were to take RNC chairman Sean Spicer (who has already taken to social media to pronounce the findings as proof of double voting) and examine the roll of registered voters in this nation, there are 20 others with the same name and the same birthday.
That is the only criteria used to claim the 35K people are all examples of fraud. So, do we presume that Spicer is guilty of 20 counts of fraud all by himself?

The 765 people with same name, birthday and last 4 digits of social security number is only slightly more reliable, although there are over 45000 people assigned the same last 4 digits of the social security number.
However, how many mistakes were made by poll workers in checking off people, and how many are cases of matching name, birthday, and last 4 digits of different people.

North Carolina is on the forefront of repressive voting laws, and have likely leaped to erroneous conclusions in their haste to justify their actions.
And I do not discount even slightly, the possibility that they know damn well that their findings are not proof, but are banking on people only reading the bombshell breaking news, and never catching the rest of the story when it finally comes out.

Jorn 04-03-2014 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3311312)
I'm not defaming them, but I also recognize that they have a dog in this fight, and may only have 'discovered' coincidences which they interpreted as that which they were looking for.

Statistical analysis will prove out whether what they found was real fraud, or a combination of coincidence and clerical error.
I think it is fair to say that they should have done more investigation before jumping head first into the media pool with unsubstantiated assumptions.

If one were to take RNC chairman Sean Spicer (who has already taken to social media to pronounce the findings as proof of double voting) and examine the roll of registered voters in this nation, there are 20 others with the same name and the same birthday.
That is the only criteria used to claim the 35K people are all examples of fraud. So, do we presume that Spicer is guilty of 20 counts of fraud all by himself?

The 765 people with same name, birthday and last 4 digits of social security number is only slightly more reliable, although there are over 45000 people assigned the same last 4 digits of the social security number.
However, how many mistakes were made by poll workers in checking off people, and how many are cases of matching name, birthday, and last 4 digits of different people.

North Carolina is on the forefront of repressive voting laws, and have likely leaped to erroneous conclusions in their haste to justify their actions.
And I do not discount even slightly, the possibility that they know damn well that their findings are not proof, but are banking on people only reading the bombshell breaking news, and never catching the rest of the story when it finally comes out.

Did any of the 35.000 come before a judge? Must be easy to find them.

Kuan 04-03-2014 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel (Post 3311312)

The 765 people with same name, birthday and last 4 digits of social security number is only slightly more reliable, although there are over 45000 people assigned the same last 4 digits of the social security number.
However, how many mistakes were made by poll workers in checking off people, and how many are cases of matching name, birthday, and last 4 digits of different people.

The headline went from tens of thousands to hundreds and then says it's only slightly more reliable. In essence not a good way to determine fraud.

Botnst 04-03-2014 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3311363)
Did any of the 35.000 come before a judge? Must be easy to find them.

There are no murders unless the murderers come before a judge.

MS Fowler 04-03-2014 08:48 PM

Time will tell whether this is voter fraud, or voter fraud fraud. ( Thanks, Bot)

Jorn 04-03-2014 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3311367)
There are no murders unless the murderers come before a judge.

No murder without a body. MS Fowler and dudesky's (in another thread) link to massive fraud doesn't seem to have gotten more attention then from gmail and hotmail...

Botnst 04-03-2014 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jorn (Post 3311412)
No murder without a body. MS Fowler and dudesky's (in another thread) link to massive fraud doesn't seem to have gotten more attention then from gmail and hotmail...

You changed the rule of you analogy. Not fair.

But lets go with what you say....

Think about it.

MTI 04-03-2014 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3311367)
There are no murders unless the murderers come before a judge.

There are no charges until so, and until those charges are accompanied by sufficient evidence to bring to trial. Accusations don't carry much weight until then, and in reality, should they?


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