To start with, I feel that disenfranchisement is not the correct word for much of the fallout from these laws. It sounds good, has a lot of syllables and probably is a word unknown to many who haven't cracked open a book since they tossed the tassel on the mortarboard...
But I feel it is as dishonest as calling voter suppression laws 'Voter ID' laws...

What many of these laws are doing is increasing the level of preparation needed for people to vote. Of course, it depends on the specific law.
Many are arguing that Voter ID laws are good and necessary, some of them are, some of them aren't.
Laws which deny using welfare ID or Student ID are a couple examples I feel are not fair.
Laws which require birth certificates from previously acceptable voters who do not have a birth certificate fall into the same category.

I have no problem with laws which require some sort of proof of identity, and neither do the vast majority of people in this country, from either party.

What gives these laws a bad name is that many include other provisions which are decidedly unfair, and cannot be viewed as anything other than a partisan power grab.

It is time to separate the issues, and stop debating different things under the same title. The R's have done a masterful job of entwining their voter suppression and gerrymandering efforts into the larger debate about voter ID.
- Cutting early voting times is not a voter ID issue.
- Redrawing districts to eliminate minority representation is not a voter ID issue
- Restricting voter registration drives is not a voter ID issue
- Requiring ID which cannot be gotten at no cost to the recipient is not a voter ID issue
- Eliminating same day registration is not a voter ID issue
- Limiting the number of polling places is not a voter ID issue

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You said it, I quoted it and called you on it now you change your tune to say both.

Same day registration without a solid constantly updated database invites fraud. Say person "A" goes and votes in their home district. They have some time and are a rabid supporter of their beloved candidate. So, they drive to the next district, and do a same-day registration, again voting. Now take a second look at those buses that show up in front of polling places. Is it beyond reality to assume that a busload of people could be taken around to various polling locations (some not even requiring any ID!) to cast as many votes as possible for their favorite candidate? You may call this a conspiracy theory or worse, but honestly I have found the best preparation in life involves counting on people being underhanded and at times downright evil in their attempts to further their agenda or cause. I am still surprised by the lengths some will go though-

Would you care to describe who is the worst effected by these voter oppression schemes? Please have some details.

Bullshlt dude. Learn to read before you start accusing people of things which are inaccurate. I'm on record as stating that gerrymandering is unacceptable and that it has been done for hundreds of years by both sides.
I have posted the picture of Illinois Congressional District 4 numerous times... do you know any of the history of that district, or which way they vote...??
Didn't think so..

Before one launches a personal attack, it's best to understand what the other person said (this includes looking up the big words) so one does not end up looking like an ass.

So, you have only chosen to address one issue. You do realize that most states do not offer same day registration? And those that do require an ID for such a registration?
Didn't think so...

Generally the states which allow same day registration and voting do not allow that activity on election day, but only for voters coming in early.
Those states have also seen sizable increases in voter participation.

Your bus theory doesn't even have enough substance to become a conspiracy theory.
What it does is highlight your ignorance.... again...

As for your last question.
Asked and answered.


If you really want to be part of the discussion, please get yourself up to speed before jumping in, it's the polite way to behave.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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Wow, hit a nerve, did I? And I'm the one accused of making personal attacks. I guess you really did not say what I quoted from one of your many posts. And you still haven't given a detailed picture of who these "poor" voters are. What income bracket? What areas? What size families? What specific minorities? You love quoting yourself, if you posted it before and I missed it please use that tactic again-

Give some details instead of barking about being attacked and your argument will gain some substance.

As far as "not enough substance for a conspiracy theory", it isn't far fetched. It happens in many other countries, and the US is rapidly gaining on those other countries when it comes to corruption and underhanded dealings. We have passed some of them already.

You are the one making personal attacks, and if you like, I can respond in kind.
Did not hit a nerve, just tangled with someone who does not suffer fools gladly.
No, I did not say what you claimed. At least you have the decency to admit it. Now if you could only work on not doing it in the first place, we might get somewhere.
If you think I am going to rehash the entire discussion for you because you are too lazy to read the thread, then you are sorely mistaken.
The only reason I quoted myself was to show that what was asked had already been covered. Most people have the innate intelligence to understand when they are being treated like a child.

My argument has substance, if yours had any, you would do some research and post something besides a blanket condemnation of all poor people as leaches on the public dole. Your opinion is bigoted and disgraceful.

So, what you are saying is that you still haven't done a scrap of research about your 'theory' and have not understood what has been presented as a rebuttal.
OK then.
Please post what other countries have bus loads of people being driven around registering and voting in every town they come to.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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I know several people who are poor and I do mean flat out totally broke. And they have been for at least the last 40 years.

They always vote Republican since they think they are saving the nation from the horrors of the Democrats. When you point out to them that they would have a better life under the Democrats (and I am not saying this is true, I am only relating what their response is to such a comment) they say it is worth the sacrifice in order to maintain a decent society.

Poor around here is another word for minority.

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I take it you have never encountered sarcasm. I quoted your post, number 89 in this thread, which you now deny having posted. I have read this thread. The details you tout are not there. The only person here not able to make a cohesive and logical argument is you. Where do you quote a source? Where do you show that people can get the same information as you? If I am indeed so wrong, I am sure some of the others here would gladly show me my error.
You also still have not answered me about who the oppressed voters truly are. Do you know?

You're a funny guy.

Also, when you quoted my post, you changed what I wrote, and deleted the context.
Clear violation of TOU, and chickenshlt to boot.

Until you can learn some manners and educate yourself (beyond presenting what passes for conspiracy theories in your world) please just move along.

Y'all have a nice day now, hear?


Oh yeah... it's 'Suppression' not 'Oppression'. The words are not synonymous.

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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