Where does the notion come from that "poor" people vote democratic? If you follow the money you see that the poorest states in the nation are "red states". Or do the "poor" not vote in those states?

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Maybe they are suppressed?

You would think.

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IMO, it just furthers the economic divide--the Poor" vote for democrats, and only rich white haters vote repub. There may be some general truth to it, but its more a tool for division than anything that clearly defines the parties.

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Self quotes are always so tasteful-

Let's first establish who the "oppressed" voters are.
In general, poor minorities seem to be the most common phrases pushed around. Welfare or other forms of public assistance are often mentioned as well, so it's safe to assume that the most disenfranchised voter would be a minority living either in public housing or at least living primarily off of public aid, is this correct?
Therefore-
- Cutting early voting times does not effect them.
- Restricting voter registration drives does not effect them.
- Requiring ID which cannot be gotten at no cost to the recipient is not a valid issue; the same ID would be required to receive their public aid.
- Eliminating same day registration would not effect them; if they can't figure out that November 2nd happens every year, then they do not have the intelligence to vote.
- Limiting the number of polling places may effect them somewhat, but honestly it's not like they are taking time off from work to go vote.

As far as redrawn districts, take a look at some of the democrat-drawn monstrosities out there before calling it solely a republican mess.
And for the record, I am neither democrat nor republican, I cannot fathom the lack of intelligence that would lead someone to blindly swallow the party line. I am independent.

The partisan bickering is a tool being used by both sides to further pet projects and personal agendas. Because people are frothing at the mouth about being red or blue, they miss the point that there are quite a few people sitting in congress right now who have made a career out of doing nothing except digging their fingers deeper into their "supporter"'s pockets. I feel that once a person has been away from the place they are supposed to represent more than a few years, then they no longer have a connection to that place and are no longer qualified to represent it. A decade is too long. The trend of 30+ year career politicians is abhorrent, they are nothing but leaches especially when all they can do is bicker and argue. My four and six year olds will gladly do that for free-

If you would read before posting, it wouldn't be necessary....

Disenfranchised is not an accurate term.
Poor people are but one group affected by voter suppression efforts, and contrary to your belief, they don't all get debit cards from the government and but flat screens with them.
Neither do they all live in public housing or receive public aid.
So, the answer is No, you are incorrect.

Another batch of incorrect assumptions
Cutting early voting times affects everybody, and the lower and middle classes more.
Why do you think it would be an improvement to decrease voter participation?
Restricting voter registration affects young voters more than any other group.
Why do you think it is a good policy to reduce young people's participation in the election process?
Procrastinators exist in all segments of society, and is not dependent upon intelligence.
Why do you think people should not be allowed to register on the same day they vote?
Why do you think people who might not be as smart as others should be denied the right to vote?
Can I decide that you are not intelligent enough to vote?
Many people DO take time off to vote, and many other people don't own vehicles and have to plan a special trip to get to a polling place. That's also part of early voting.
Your suggestion that none of these people work is ignorant and bigoted. Pretty disgusting.
Both parties have gerrymandered to the point of lunacy.
If you had actually read any of this thread, you would realize that I stated that earlier. I never suggested that it was only the Rs.
So, can the blindly following BS....
You claim to be independent, but I believe that you are kidding yourself

Can't argue with this part of your post.
Congratulations for not posting a total whiff....

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You said it, I quoted it and called you on it now you change your tune to say both.

Same day registration without a solid constantly updated database invites fraud. Say person "A" goes and votes in their home district. They have some time and are a rabid supporter of their beloved candidate. So, they drive to the next district, and do a same-day registration, again voting. Now take a second look at those buses that show up in front of polling places. Is it beyond reality to assume that a busload of people could be taken around to various polling locations (some not even requiring any ID!) to cast as many votes as possible for their favorite candidate? You may call this a conspiracy theory or worse, but honestly I have found the best preparation in life involves counting on people being underhanded and at times downright evil in their attempts to further their agenda or cause. I am still surprised by the lengths some will go though-

Would you care to describe who is the worst effected by these voter oppression schemes? Please have some details.

I am not aware of anyplace that offers same day registration.

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Bullshlt dude. Learn to read before you start accusing people of things which are inaccurate. I'm on record as stating that gerrymandering is unacceptable and that it has been done for hundreds of years by both sides.
I have posted the picture of Illinois Congressional District 4 numerous times... do you know any of the history of that district, or which way they vote...??
Didn't think so..

Before one launches a personal attack, it's best to understand what the other person said (this includes looking up the big words) so one does not end up looking like an ass.

So, you have only chosen to address one issue. You do realize that most states do not offer same day registration? And those that do require an ID for such a registration?
Didn't think so...

Generally the states which allow same day registration and voting do not allow that activity on election day, but only for voters coming in early.
Those states have also seen sizable increases in voter participation.

Your bus theory doesn't even have enough substance to become a conspiracy theory.
What it does is highlight your ignorance.... again...

As for your last question.
Asked and answered.


If you really want to be part of the discussion, please get yourself up to speed before jumping in, it's the polite way to behave.

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Eight states currently.
CT and CA laws come into play soon.
In Maine the GOP tried to repeal the same day registration which had been in place since the 70's. The people vetoed that action through referendum. 60%
An excellent example of grassroots political action.
Mainers vote to continue Election Day registration — Politics — Bangor Daily News — BDN Maine

One thing which should precede same day registration is voter roll updating.

So many of these issue could be handled by modernizing our voter databases, but for some reason, neither side seems interested in doing that.
Maybe they both have an embarrassing amount of dead people and multi's in their constituency....

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On some nights I still believe that a car with the fuel gauge on empty can run about fifty more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. - HST

1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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Why not have voting open 24/7 for 6-7 months? What is so sacred about the time of the vote?

Wow, hit a nerve, did I? And I'm the one accused of making personal attacks. I guess you really did not say what I quoted from one of your many posts. And you still haven't given a detailed picture of who these "poor" voters are. What income bracket? What areas? What size families? What specific minorities? You love quoting yourself, if you posted it before and I missed it please use that tactic again-

Give some details instead of barking about being attacked and your argument will gain some substance.

As far as "not enough substance for a conspiracy theory", it isn't far fetched. It happens in many other countries, and the US is rapidly gaining on those other countries when it comes to corruption and underhanded dealings. We have passed some of them already.

You are the one making personal attacks, and if you like, I can respond in kind.
Did not hit a nerve, just tangled with someone who does not suffer fools gladly.
No, I did not say what you claimed. At least you have the decency to admit it. Now if you could only work on not doing it in the first place, we might get somewhere.
If you think I am going to rehash the entire discussion for you because you are too lazy to read the thread, then you are sorely mistaken.
The only reason I quoted myself was to show that what was asked had already been covered. Most people have the innate intelligence to understand when they are being treated like a child.

My argument has substance, if yours had any, you would do some research and post something besides a blanket condemnation of all poor people as leaches on the public dole. Your opinion is bigoted and disgraceful.

So, what you are saying is that you still haven't done a scrap of research about your 'theory' and have not understood what has been presented as a rebuttal.
OK then.
Please post what other countries have bus loads of people being driven around registering and voting in every town they come to.

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1983 300SD - 305000
1984 Toyota Landcruiser - 190000
1994 GMC Jimmy - 203000

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I know several people who are poor and I do mean flat out totally broke. And they have been for at least the last 40 years.

They always vote Republican since they think they are saving the nation from the horrors of the Democrats. When you point out to them that they would have a better life under the Democrats (and I am not saying this is true, I am only relating what their response is to such a comment) they say it is worth the sacrifice in order to maintain a decent society.

Poor around here is another word for minority.

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