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Air&Road · #**166** 04-14-2014, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Pretty sure they haven't killed anyone.... you are overstating with use of the word 'willingness'
They even let off the taser before the guy lost control of his bowels...
That's showing some consideration right there....

If they really wanted to kill these people to settle this issue, there would be dead people.
Pulling back to let the situation calm down actually shows that someone somewhere has a brain.
Next time, they will take Cliven nice and quiet down at the local breakfast joint.

I'm not sure that the Feds would not have fired if, thanks to the second Ammendment, there weren't armed citizens ready to return fire. We will never know, thank goodness.

Air&Road · #**167** 04-14-2014, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I would say that it's even dumber to offer up physical violence to a larger and better equipped force...

Guessing that the ranchers never found a use for Sun Tzu...

I kind of doubt that the minutemen ever read any of General Tzu's writings either.

John Galt · #**168** 04-14-2014, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Guessing that the ranchers never found a use for Sun Tzu...

They tend to go for the larger working dogs, not the little lap yappers.

"The Art of War" may be on a few ranch bookshelves, but not a likely majority line Zane Grey.

cmbdiesel · #**169** 04-14-2014, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS

The feds will be back. With lots of handcuffs, appropriate warrant(s), an overwhelming force - well armed of course, and motor coaches to haul off the arrested. Ambulance type services, if necessary, will be first allocated to LEO. The rancher should start reading the mail from the courts.

My prediction is a couple undercover guys, real quiet, just nab him off the street one day.

davidmash · #**170** 04-14-2014, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

Are the growers armed, defiant and confrontational?

I don't recall anything happening to Cliven's daughter....

Nevada rancher's son tasered by federal agents in fight over right to graze land | Mail Online
I do like the part of the video where the kid (nephew or some such) claims to have been hit by multiple vehicles, including a dump truck.....
Kind of hard to take anything these people say seriously.

What we want to know is would you be defending the pot growers?

Of course he would not. They are breaking the law .....and doing thing he disagrees with

aklim · #**171** 04-14-2014, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

If all of what you state turns out to be true, you are making a good case and I could buy into most of what you say, saving for the welfare of the cows. There are two sides to everything though. I would have to have the time to hear the case by both sides. That, of course, is called a trial.

Good point. Perhaps he SHOULD have gone to the trial he was invited to.

aklim · #**172** 04-14-2014, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

If the fed shoots a bunch of civilians over grazing rights then the feds will have proven the ranchers argument with the lives of the ranchers.

So following that, if a cop stops me for say spitting on the sidewalk, I choose to pull a gun to tell him to back off and he draws faster and drills me, I am being shot over spitting on the sidewalk?

aklim · #**173** 04-14-2014, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Another thought.... The Feds Sunday showed their willingness to kill Americans. They refuse, however, to use such measures on the border to try to control illegal immigration and drug running. What's wrong with this picture?

I've seen this movie before. It tries to link item A with the price of tea in China to obfuscate the issue.

aklim · #**174** 04-14-2014, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I'm not talking about the ranchers. I'm talking about the unarmed family members that were pushed down and maced.

Unfortunately, they are not clairvoyant and cannot predict things so they have to arrest everyone there and sort it out later.

aklim · #**175** 04-14-2014, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I'm not sure that the Feds would not have fired if, thanks to the second Ammendment, there weren't armed citizens ready to return fire. We will never know, thank goodness.

Nothing to do with goodness. It has everything to do with having too many bleeding hearts around that want order without dirty hands.

aklim · #**176** 04-14-2014, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Of course he would not. They are breaking the law .....and doing thing he disagrees with

I would never say it has anything to do with what you put in fine print. I'm sure that he has a reason to swerve from principle that has nothing to do with it being inconvenient at this juncture and convenient at others.

Botnst · #**177** 04-14-2014, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cmbdiesel

I would say that it's even dumber to offer up physical violence to a larger and better equipped force...

Guessing that the ranchers never found a use for Sun Tzu...

George III would have loved you. Ho Chi Minh would have thought you a fool.

Botnst · #**178** 04-14-2014, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So following that, if a cop stops me for say spitting on the sidewalk, I choose to pull a gun to tell him to back off and he draws faster and drills me, I am being shot over spitting on the sidewalk?

You have no control over other people. The only thing you control is how you react. If you choose to make a gunfight over expectorating then that is your choice.

Dudesky · #**179** 04-15-2014, 12:54 AM

Looks like a raid is planned...it will get nasty.

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The executive director of the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association says his sources inside the federal government warn that Washington’s weekend retreat in a dispute over grazing land in Nevada was only a move to distract attention and diffuse tensions, because a raid on the family’s ranch still is planned.
Read more at Sheriff: Feds strategize for ‘raid’ on ranch

Harry Reid is pissed.

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Reid on Monday told KRNV-TV in Reno: “It’s not over. We can’t have an American people that violate the law and then just walk away from it. So it’s not over.”

Is Harry talking about Bundy or Obama?

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“Isn’t that amazing? The biggest crook in Washington,” Mack said.