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Kuan 04-14-2014 01:23 PM

Hate groups
 
I laugh at them when they yell slogans, but often I forget that they are actually serious about their message.

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spdrun 04-14-2014 02:17 PM

Got to love that he chose the 3rd most common Jewish name in the US (Miller) as his alias. Hope he rots in prison for the rest of his sorry life.

Txjake 04-14-2014 02:26 PM

scumbag....

Kuan 04-14-2014 02:45 PM

How much of hate speech is free speech and when does free speech become an actual threat?

MTI 04-14-2014 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan (Post 3315965)
How much of hate speech is free speech and when does free speech become an actual threat?

Free speech rights, as discussed before, are not absolute. For instance, one can peacefully call for revolution, but most states have laws against speech that incites a riot. One of the elements of those laws is that there must actually be violence resulting and that there was a high probability that the calls to riot would actually result in violence.

Botnst 04-14-2014 03:03 PM

We need to outlaw hate.

spdrun 04-14-2014 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan (Post 3315965)
How much of hate speech is free speech and when does free speech become an actual threat?

Not a question of speech here -- this guy actually acted, AND was one of the ringleaders before. No question of incitement.

t walgamuth 04-14-2014 04:25 PM

Man, people need to get a life!

Hating is not living.

davidmash 04-14-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Kuan (Post 3315965)
How much of hate speech is free speech and when does free speech become an actual threat?

I am very reluctant to place limits on any types of speech. I am not sure I am comfortable with the incitement concept because I think it helps people limit their responsibility at least in their own mind. I do not know that I care who told you to do anything. You chose to do it, own it. If I take advantage of someone who is mentally challenged or something then I get it.

I am also not sure why a hate crime determination should have any bearing on a murder. Dead is dead. There are situations where a determination of hate is warranted in my opinion, but this sure as heck is not one of them. My life is not worth any more or less than anyone else just due to my religion, gender or race, at least not where murder is concerned. \

As mentioned above, he can say what he wants, acting on it is a whole different matter.

MTI 04-14-2014 04:53 PM

"Let's string him up!"

"Anybody got any string?"

kerry 04-14-2014 05:30 PM

At the Nuremberg Trials, the one person convicted of propaganda war crimes was Julius Strichter whose conviction was based on his written calls for Jewish genocide. The other propagandist, William Fritsche was acquitted.

spdrun 04-14-2014 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry (Post 3316067)
At the Nuremberg Trials, the one person convicted of propaganda war crimes was Julius Strichter whose conviction was based on his written calls for Jewish genocide. The other propagandist, William Fritsche was acquitted.

Nuremberg is irrelevant since it was a court that wasn't subject to US Constitutional law in any meaningful sense. Streicher was also a government/party organ that actually gave orders.

P.C. 04-14-2014 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Botnst (Post 3315990)
We need to outlaw hate.

Isn't intolerance of hatred itself a hate crime?

Botnst 04-14-2014 06:04 PM

I hate tolerance of hate.

kerry 04-14-2014 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun (Post 3316074)
Nuremberg is irrelevant since it was a court that wasn't subject to US Constitutional law in any meaningful sense. Streicher was also a government/party organ that actually gave orders.

He was convicted for his propaganda role, not his role in giving orders. I never said it was relevant to the US Constitution.


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