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Old 04-14-2014, 12:23 PM
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Hate groups

I laugh at them when they yell slogans, but often I forget that they are actually serious about their message.

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Old 04-14-2014, 01:17 PM
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Got to love that he chose the 3rd most common Jewish name in the US (Miller) as his alias. Hope he rots in prison for the rest of his sorry life.
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:45 PM
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How much of hate speech is free speech and when does free speech become an actual threat?
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Old 04-14-2014, 01:55 PM
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How much of hate speech is free speech and when does free speech become an actual threat?
Free speech rights, as discussed before, are not absolute. For instance, one can peacefully call for revolution, but most states have laws against speech that incites a riot. One of the elements of those laws is that there must actually be violence resulting and that there was a high probability that the calls to riot would actually result in violence.
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How much of hate speech is free speech and when does free speech become an actual threat?
Not a question of speech here -- this guy actually acted, AND was one of the ringleaders before. No question of incitement.
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Old 04-14-2014, 03:40 PM
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How much of hate speech is free speech and when does free speech become an actual threat?
I am very reluctant to place limits on any types of speech. I am not sure I am comfortable with the incitement concept because I think it helps people limit their responsibility at least in their own mind. I do not know that I care who told you to do anything. You chose to do it, own it. If I take advantage of someone who is mentally challenged or something then I get it.

I am also not sure why a hate crime determination should have any bearing on a murder. Dead is dead. There are situations where a determination of hate is warranted in my opinion, but this sure as heck is not one of them. My life is not worth any more or less than anyone else just due to my religion, gender or race, at least not where murder is concerned. \

As mentioned above, he can say what he wants, acting on it is a whole different matter.
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Old 04-15-2014, 11:46 AM
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I am very reluctant to place limits on any types of speech. I am not sure I am comfortable with the incitement concept because I think it helps people limit their responsibility at least in their own mind. I do not know that I care who told you to do anything. You chose to do it, own it. If I take advantage of someone who is mentally challenged or something then I get it.

I am also not sure why a hate crime determination should have any bearing on a murder. Dead is dead. There are situations where a determination of hate is warranted in my opinion, but this sure as heck is not one of them. My life is not worth any more or less than anyone else just due to my religion, gender or race, at least not where murder is concerned. \

As mentioned above, he can say what he wants, acting on it is a whole different matter.
I'm not comfortable with it either. To me it is an attempt at punishing twice avoiding the double jeopardy?
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I totally reject the idea of "Hate Crime". If you murder someone, you have committed murder, period. As said above, the victim is just as dead if you did it because of a bias against someone's religion, race, gender preference, hair color, occupation, sports team preference or what ever. The crime is in the action, not in the politically incorrect bias. If we say otherwise, we are making it a crime to THINK something. I do not like it when someone says something against another person because of a particular bias, But they have committed no crime. The freedoms to think and speak are cornerstone to our country.
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We need to outlaw hate.
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We need to outlaw hate.
Isn't intolerance of hatred itself a hate crime?
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We need to outlaw hate.
I hate hate groups.
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Man, people need to get a life!

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At the Nuremberg Trials, the one person convicted of propaganda war crimes was Julius Strichter whose conviction was based on his written calls for Jewish genocide. The other propagandist, William Fritsche was acquitted.
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