Cliven Bundy; another perspective

[HuskyMan]

MarkMatter: A LITTLE SEDITION Understanding the Bundy Affair

[Skippy]

Civil disobedience stops being so when folks start showing up armed.

I agree with the author that the federal government divesting itself of some of its excess real estate holdings would be a good thing, and that offering to sell Mr. Bundy the land in question would be a good compromise to the current situation. However, I don't think he'd buy if the offer was made. That's how wacked out he is. I also concur with the author that Mr. Bundy is likely to end up dead or in prison, with death being the more likely of those two options. If that does happen, I won't be sad about it.

[t walgamuth]

I'm as compassionate as most anybody, and I rarely ever say this but if Mr. Bundy gets shot for his wild activities, an officer acting in self defense I will not shed any tears for the deadbeat, squatting, hypocritical bigot.

[kerry]

He's right about the conflict between East/West behind the Bundy affair. Watch the Idaho gubernatorial debate video I linked and listen to the nutjob in the big white beard. He repeatedly brings it up. But insofar as Bundy being a noble practitioner of civil disobedience it's totally BS. He's been grazing his cattle on someone else's land for many years and making a profit off it while refusing to pay grazing fees. He's a street level thief and thug. To put him in the same category as Gandhi is ludicrous.

[elchivito]

Originally Posted by kerry

To put him in the same category as Gandhi is ludicrous.

We have an understatement winner!

[Jim B.]

Originally Posted by t walgamuth

I'm as compassionate as most anybody, and I rarely ever say this but if Mr. Bundy gets shot for his wild activities, an officer acting in self defense I will not shed any tears for the deadbeat, squatting, hypocritical bigot.

(I strongly suspect that you do not stand alone in your opinion here).

[P.C.]

Why not just allow this old fart to fade away? He's nothing more than a con man and a welfare leech.

[Jim B.]

Originally Posted by P.C.

Why not just allow this old fart to fade away? He's nothing more than a con man and a welfare leech.

and the other on a banana peel.


Come on, guy:
You need to cut him some slack!




"So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste.."

"Sympathy for the Devil"
~~~Rolling Stones (1969)

[Idle]

Conservatives do love their criminals just so long as they are Conservatives.

They appear to think they must destroy the Constitution in order to save it.

There are many ways Bundy could resolve this situation, but none of them would be as much fun or bring him as much attention as the way he is going about it.

So what is more important to Bundy? Resolving the situation or basking in glory?

[Jim B.]

Originally Posted by Idle

Conservatives do love their criminals just so long as they are Conservatives.

They appear to think they must destroy the Constitution in order to save it.

There are many ways Bundy could resolve this situation, but none of them would be as much fun or bring him as much attention as the way he is going about it.

So what is more important to Bundy? Resolving the situation or basking in glory?

What about "going down with guns blazing"?


(so to speak)

[spdrun]

On the one hand, I think he's a dumbkopf....

On the other, he put a thorn in the government's butt, and that's worth a bit of respect.

Undecided.

[HuskyMan]

Originally Posted by Skippy

Civil disobedience stops being so when folks start showing up armed.

First, do not take this personally but what you say is exactly what King George said about George Washington and his crew. What one side calls patriotism, the other side calls terrorism.

[Skippy]

The American Revolution was a war, not an act of civil disobedience. Had they lost, the Founding Fathers would very likely have been hanged for treason. Good thing they didn't lose.

Now if Cliven Bundy wants to start a war, he'll get one. And he'll lose.

[HuskyMan]

Interesting responses all. The fact of the matter is that historically, all rebels and patriots who have effected change or began and participated in any revolution are guilty as hell of sedition and treason. Every last one of them are guilty as charged. The word, "revolution" literally means to turn around.

The American revolution which began by the writing and signing of the Declaration of Independence which ultimately gave rise to the creation of the United States of America is considered by most Americans as a good and honorable cause. According to many, other revolutions or acts of 'civil disobedience' are acts of sedition, treason and are dishonorable.

Pickers and choosers we are.

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE - The Signers

[HuskyMan]

Originally Posted by Skippy

The American Revolution was a war, not an act of civil disobedience.

Really? is not the following story of the Boston Massacre an act of civil disobedience?

quote from the following wikipedia link:

Boston Massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"On the evening of March 5, Private Hugh White, a British soldier, stood on guard duty outside the Custom house on King Street, today known as State Street. A young wigmaker's apprentice named Edward Garrick called out to a British officer, Captain-Lieutenant John Goldfinch, that Goldfinch had not paid a bill due to Garrick's master. Goldfinch had in fact settled his account and ignored the insult.[15] Private White called out to Garrick that he should be more respectful of the officer. Garrick exchanged insults with Private White, who left his post, challenged the boy, and struck him on the side of the head with his musket. As Garrick cried in pain, one of his companions, Bartholomew Broaders, began to argue with White. This attracted a larger crowd.[16] Henry Knox, a 19-year-old bookseller (who would later serve as a general in the revolution), came upon the scene and warned White, "if he fired he must die for it."[15]

An 1868 print by Alonzo Chappel


As the evening progressed, the crowd around Private White grew larger and more boisterous. Church bells were rung, which usually signified a fire, bringing more people out. Over fifty Bostonians pressed around White, led by a mixed-race runaway slave named Crispus Attucks, throwing objects at the sentry and challenging him to fire his weapon. White, who had taken up a somewhat safer position on the steps of the Custom House, sought assistance. Runners alerted the nearby barracks and Captain Thomas Preston, the officer of the watch.[17][18] According to his report, Preston dispatched a non-commissioned officer and six privates of the 29th Regiment of Foot, with fixed bayonets, to relieve White.[19][20] The soldiers Preston sent were Corporal William Wemms, Hugh Montgomery, John Carroll, William McCauley, William Warren, and Matthew Kilroy. Accompanied by Preston, they pushed their way through the crowd. En route, Henry Knox, again trying to reduce tensions, warned Preston, "For God's sake, take care of your men. If they fire, you must die."[clarification needed] Captain Preston responded "I am aware of it."[21] When they reached Private White on the custom house stairs, the soldiers loaded their muskets, and arrayed themselves in a semicircular formation. Preston shouted at the crowd, estimated to number between three and four hundred, to disperse.[22]"


All of the foregoing led up to a real war, kicked off at Lexington and Concord........but let's not forget the war began with an act of civil disobedience!


Battles of Lexington and Concord - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Originally Posted by Skippy

Now if Cliven Bundy wants to start a war, he'll get one. And he'll lose.

Since none of us are fortune tellers, we are unable to accurately predict the future. Plus, let's not forget, the Feds came to surround HIM by force of arms; he did not round up the posse and attempt to go surround Washington, D.C. They are attempting to collect a debt by force of arms. It appears the mission statement of the BLM has been "repurposed".