Another 2nd Amendment assault?
 

My god

By applying YOUR logic and sense of priorities, it is perfectly ok for the authorities to come and take away all of ElChivito's firearms he needs at home for the protection of his family, livestock and for the safety of everyone that traverses the adjacent roads who could be harmed by this marauding road warrior that, when caught, personally threatens HIM and his family?


It is clear here that you are sticking to your guns, but you are gaining little traction here, because you are flat out
W R O N G

It'd be better to fall on one's sword over something else. Otherwise you could be swarmed by people claiming that having a "No ratting out" policy be THE most important and primary component of a moral code, and vulnerable to the suggestion that:

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That by your choice, you are aligning yourself with violent drug dealing gang bangers, denizens of prison, and rogue out of control police, that would never "rat out" known malefactors friends and colleagues, and any like people that need to be caught, stopped and punished after a fair hearing with due process.


You ought to reboot your thinking.

Did I miss the part where ElChivito said he had anything against the neighbor and/or the religious facility? I thought the main thing was the traffic on the unpaved road, specifically, the speed of the traffic. I didn't think his actions were directed at the religious neighbor, other than trying to contact him in order to have him talk to the drivers. Was there mention of wanting to "shutdown" the neighbor's facility?

MV

You didn't miss anything. I had no beef with the neighbors or what they were doing. Spuddy assumed I was upset with a church camp at the end of the road I guess because we share some animosity towards organized religion.
Only thing bothering me was the speed and size of the traffic on an un-patrolled road. If that guy'd run his bus onto it's side in the bar ditch trying to avoid a steer I'd have been the only one to know it and the first one on scene.

That sounds a lot like a road I drove to work on every day for about two years. From the end of the pavement to the employee parking lot was 10.5 miles. I covered it in 12 and a half minutes most days. The guy who owned the company could do it in 10.

I didn't have ranging cattle to contend with, and I wasn't driving a bus. Still, with those added conditions 40 doesn't sound totally unreasonable if the road is fairly straight. As for fences, I hit one once. I got a ticket and insurance covered the damage. I approached that one particular corner a little slower after that, but still kept my 48 mph average on that road overall. In your situation I don't think I would have complained.

I'm with JP on this.

The odds are excellent that this guy has been doing this for a long time. Look at the arrogance, him out talking with the shop owner while displaying the fruits of his theft.

If this was a one-time occurrence, you know he'd be lots more guilty and secretive about it, that's human nature.

He doesn't deserve to have that job. But really, I'll bet he will have some story about it, and the evidence is circumstantial. Odds are the postal union will back him and he'll likely keep his job anyway. Of course if they actually open an investigation and tail him ...

Oh yeah, postal thief needs to go away.

I don't understand the notion that "ratting" someone out for theft is apparently worse than stealing the mail in the first place.

F**k that guy. He needs to lose his job right now. If hes stealing from JP hes stealing from anyone else if the pickin's look good. Ordered some nice earrings for the wife? that guys wife is wearing them. New skates for the kid? that guys kid has em. I bet we find the whole street has mail problems with packages not being delivered.

agree with cantknow, the evidence is circumstantial and its gonna be tough to prove its him exactly and make it stick, especially now that the postmaster has been alerted.

Not reporting the postal theif would have been a disservice to other users of the service. I always try to cause the least grief to others under a situation. Still sometimes there is no sane alternative.

This ass**** had no concept of all the problems a person goes through when an item is not received in the mail. Mind the physical loss.

Even with my attempted attitude to do the least damage possible. To me there would have been no other way than reporting him to stop it. Talking to him besides the ugliness may at best have just stopped the theft of your items.

Otherwise it would have continued for perhaps myself and many other people. I disagree the union can save him. Most employers will not tolerate and rightly so customer theft. I have given up trying to figure what motivates some people.

If my skill level was only adequate to deliver mail in Canada. The pay scale and benefits are well above what the job should be worth. So most employees would protect their jobs. This may be the reason the postal service is so far in the red plus the now vastly reduced use of it in comparison to past times. .We just received a notice that cheques from a party will now be only direct deposit.

I do our banking in person so some tellers get to hold their jobs. There has been a lot of effort to get me and others to do it all electronically. If Canadian banks were doing really poorly I might have to consider it. They are having really good profitable years as almost always. Yet they even want a bigger slice of the pie. People have to have jobs. The greed in our societies today is almost out of control. .

Hit 'em hard, Jon. I especially like to have justice meted out on ppl like that.

No I do not see the evidence as circumstantial. He will have to produce the source of the product and proof he purchased it there. The flavor in the bottles will be another important piece of evidence. The owner can identify it. . If he refuses to produce them upon employer demand is another issue.

The odds of the owner of the product being at the same place and with usable video coverage occurring where pretty thin but it occurred.

You might want to consider buying a lotto ticket this week if you normally do not. Remember if it comes in five percent would help me out. :D If not you can put me on your **** list.:(

Thanks!

The theft of the original two bottles has cost the company in shipping the replacements, plus the cost of the replacements, plus it's caused me to put out additional monies to purchase a different product to tide me over until the replacement order gets to me.

Granted, everything is still just under $50, but it's not the cost, it's the principal of the matter.

I really hate thieves.

It isn't, nor is it flat. 40 is way too fast for even a pickup, much less a bus full of people. It winds it's way up my mesa, then an up and down straight-away that I understand is hard to resist, followed by semi-switchbacks down to the creek level where the adjoining property lies. Posted county speeds are 25 and 15 on curves. County signs warn that the road is not maintained. I used to have the stretch along my fenceline graded and graveled once a year or so at my own expense, but don't anymore. Haven't since that issue came up. As it is now a jeep has a hard time going the posted speed. The property has since sold and all is quiet.

Barry, if he admits it, the union won't back him. But if he has a plausible story ("my friend from Philly brought it for me to try when he was passing through"), the union will support him. And if he's the a--face I suspect he is, he'll have the "friend" ready to back his lie. If Jon has him on video with a different story, that could carry some weight.

The best would be if they secretly open an investigation on him, build a case and then fire him...and prosecute him.

Let me rephrase that...actual costs are below $50, but retail pricing, without discounts, is up to about $80 by now.

We had a lady walk in and take $500 worth of printed product without paying for it. She knows she did it and I'm patiently waiting on her 'Christian' conscience to kick in but it won't because she's a sociopath with no guilt whatsoever for her wrong doings. And, if I prosecute, she'll surely put on the crocodile tears and play the victim saying that was taken advantage of by us. For us it's a no win but I can rest comfortably knowing we'll never have to deal with her again.

But, in your case, so long as he's working for the postal service, you'll have to deal with him by no choice of your own and your only solution is to have it shipped Fed-Ex next time.