WTF?? My postal carrier is stealing from me.
 

As many of you know, I use what the media calls e-cigs. Actually, its a personal vaporizer, but for this post, it's the same thing.

Anyway, I order e-juice, which is the liquid used in the atomizer part of the device, from a manufacturer in another state. I've been ordering from her for almost 3 months. My last order was never delivered. I called the company, and they not only remade the order, they doubled it for me and tracked it.

Yesterday, we went to our local vape lounge to pick up a bottle of juice to tide me over until the new order comes in. While I'm there, the package delivery guy for the USPS shows up, and starts talking to the owner about this juice he has, and pulls out 2 bottles from the company in Ohio...the same two bottles I had ordered. He proceeds to tell the owner that he ordered them on a whim, and that he liked them. While he's telling this story, my wife pulls out her phone and video tapes the whole thing.

After the postal carrier leaves, I call the company in Ohio and ask if they have had any other orders to my area other than mine...The lady on the phone tells me I'm the only one in PA that orders from them.

We're headed to the Post Master in our city to file the complaint. This should be interesting...and I still don't have my package yet from Ohio. I should have gotten it early last week.

I hate thieves...

You could always talk to the guy, say you have video of him talking about the juice, and give him the opportunity to return the goods before you report him for a Federal offence. Feds take mail carriers stealing mail very seriously -- I've heard of a mailman getting a few years in prison (in addition to losing his job and pension) for stealing mail in Florida.

Maybe it's a sign that you should just not use that crap.

He'll lose his job....deservedly so.

And give the thief a chance to dispose of it? No...I'll sleep quite well if he loses his job and does time. If he's stolen from me, he's stolen from others.

The owner of the company is removing her company name from the return address for all future packages she sends out. I told her to use the initials of the company, or only use the address. Anyone who vapes knows that packages from XXX XXXXXX Vapes is product for e-cigs.

I can't stand thieves...

What did the shipper's tracking report show as the delivery date?
How's the package look? Plain paper, or E-juice pasted on the wrapping?

Drop a dime on him....and then get a PO box. ;)

And put that sheet down. Just quit. Smoking is for losers. Cigs, weed, whatever. I've got the scars to prove it.:o
My $.02

Vaping e-cigs is not smoking. There are no combustible materials in use. There is nothing unhealthy in it. No cancer causing agents. No carcinogens. The juice I use is made from pharmaceutical grade, certified made in the USA, is mixed in a laboratory setting with all safety protocols in place. The wicks I use are 100% organic cotton, grown in the US, and I wrap my own coils with kanthal wire than I disinfect prior to wrapping. The nicotine levels I use are lowered every couple of weeks, and will continue until I'm not using nicotine at all. This has allowed me to be tobacco free for 79 days and 10 hours without a single slip-up.

My doctor approves of this as a healthier alternative to smoking, as well as a cessation device for me. It works...better than anything Big Pharm has tried pushing, with no side-effects other than no longer smelling like an ashtray, no more burnt mustache, no more burn holes in my shirt, no more smoke stained fingers, increased lung capacity (documented through the doctor), lower blood pressure (again, documented), whiter teeth (soon to be documented), fresher breath, and overall better health. I've tried Big Pharm's offerings, with the exception of Chantix, and none of them have helped for longer than a few days.

Here's a few links to read on the topic:

Nicotine Propaganda

The safety of long-term nicotine use

Heck, just do what I did and read for days and days...

E-Cigarette Forum

Now, why can someone explain why the ACA doesn't provide for real smoking cessation programs that work, and why the FDA claims to be so against smoking, yet are attacking e-cigs more?? Money...in the form of tax dollar income. They don't want you to quit smoking, because the tax dollars from it is so great. They'd rather have obedient tax payers be hooked. Even the latest round of Senate hearings on the topic show that it isn't about politics, but about money.

Please, read the links I posted on the topic, and learn about them before you attack them or those that use them.

Careful, there.

This one might go postal on you !!!

WTF?? My postal carrier is stealing from me.
 

Thieves need to be pointed out.

as he should. he should be punished for this nonsense immediately. the consequences are dire ,and well known to postal employees already.

x2 talk to him first

If this guy were stealing bread to feed his family, I would understand, show compassion and do something. I might even give him money because he'll do anything to feed his family.

Not this case.

I know a guy that I used to employ as a day laborer for 100/day, because I thought he really needed the money. He used to tell me he could only work one day in a row, because he had other jobs lined up. Good for him! I thought.

Then i found out from the local bar owner that the guy ordered and drank 9 beers, smoked a pack and half outside the bar, got escorted home by a sympatheic waitress who dropped him off ta the door, and received the rest of the 100 as a tip.

He has not been hired since.

Some years ago a fellow started a religious retreat on property bordering mine. He used a road that borders my land for a half mile to access his. graded dirt. He had delivery trucks coming in on thursdays, driving too fast. On fridays he'd have a for-hire bus come in loaded with true believers. Again, driving WAY too fast. Although a dedicated road, the county wouldn't help. I posted signs, I asked the property owner to tell his customers to slow down, all to no avail.
Finally in frustration I followed the bus, empty on his way out, got the pertinent numbers off of it with a picture and called the sheriff. They issued a ticket to the bus company. The company called to verify it with me. I had no idea the sheriff would disclose the complainant but they did. The manager of the bus company said they had a firm employee rule, one ticket and you're fired. I asked for the driver's name and they gave it to me.
Some days later the guy called up and began verbally abusing my wife over the phone, making all sorts of threats about wouldn't it be too bad if somebody took a pot shot at those nice looking horses. She didn't know who he was so handed the phone to me. I let him rant and then calmly said look pal, you've just threatened violence against my property and home in your own name. You've lost your job, do you want to go to jail as well? Rest assured if anyone from this point forward causes any unpleasantness to me, my family or my property, I'm giving the cops YOUR name and phone number. I never heard from the douchebag again.
Press charges on the bastid.

We handed the situation over to the Post Master. She was rather impressed with us producing a video with the guy holding it out and my wife zooming in on the bottle. I also gave her the phone number and owner's name of the company that makes it. The owner will provide her with purchase records to show that I'm the only one in PA that buys her product.

While I was there, they checked to see where the replacement order was, since it was supposed to be delivered last week. I was told that it is listed as delivered. I asked the Post Master if she would cross reference who's truck it went out on...same guy.

My brother is going over to the company this afternoon when he gets off work, and is picking yet another replacement order up for me, and he will bring it up to me this weekend when he comes for a visit.

I feel bad for the company owner, as she has gone out of her way to keep me happy. She's already given me free shipping on any order for as long as I decide to order from her. She gets my business because we've worked together on a flavor that mimics Camel Crush, which was my go to when I smoked. We've perfected the flavor, and she's getting ready to market it as one of her premium flavors in the many stores in the Dayton area that carry her brand. Getting this kind of service guarantees that I'm going to spend money with her.

I really hate thieves...they have no idea, nor care, who they financially harm.

I'm thinking I'd have tried more signs. Something in the Burma Shave style:

"This road's not a highway..."

"This road's not even paved..."

"And I don't give a damn..."

"If you think you're saved..."

"Unless you want crucified..."

"And a big thorny crown..."

"When you drive that big bus..."

"Slow the **** down!!!"

Maybe post them in a bit of a zig-zag pattern, so a normal vehicle could easily move between them, but a bus would take a bit more effort?

MV

So you got a driver fired because his boss happened to be hired by a cult? Nice job -- didn't know you had that kind of vindictiveness in you. Driver had every right to be enraged at you.

Talk about shooting the messenger. Why the hell would you go after someone who was just hired to drive a bus?

Because he was driving like an idiot through his area...repeatedly. What part of that don't you get?

He had no right to threaten me or my property. There was no vindictiveness on my part at all. It wasn't my intention to get anyone fired. I wrote a whole lot more here but decided I was pissing in the wind so took it out.
The short answer is, the guy knew his employer's rules. He knew the consequences of ignoring those rules. If enraged at anybody, he should have been enraged at himself. No speeding + no ticket = JOB. pretty simple. If I am not mistaken it's called taking responsibility for one's actions. Or something.

Fact is, you got him fired. Jobs are hard to come by these days -- you're lucky that he simply didn't come to your door and beat the snot out of you rather than venting over the phone. Sometimes it's better to live and let live than take actions that can ruin someone's livelihood.

Was the cult or the fast driving really causing you any harm? Chances are the worst case scenario would have been the bus flipping and killing a few dozen cultists. You didn't like them anyway, and it wouldn't have been your problem.

Lastly, his boss may have had a rule against fast driving and tickets. But boss-man may have also paid him by the job vs by the hour, or told him "I need this bus back at the yard by {an unrealistic time}."

Then, irritated by unreasonable and dangerous working conditions, he should have called his ex-bosse's wife and threatened her livestock...

Hah! Who knows; maybe he vented his spleen on half the universe and El Chivito didn't hear it :)

Again...someone not taking responsibility for their own actions that expects a free ride because times are tough. Life's tough...he shouldn't be driving like an idiot, breaking company policy. Rules aren't made to be broken...especially employment and safety rules.

Depends how many policies there were. Plenty of companies have official safety policies and unofficial ones. If the unofficial ones aren't obeyed, then the workers lose their jobs for not being productive enough. If the official ones aren't obeyed and something happens, the workers' b@lls still go on the chopping block.

Anyway, short of a violent crime in progress, I don't consider it my civic responsibility to be a rat.

Logically, no I didn't.
His action precipitated my action. Without his action; speeding, I'd not have taken any and he'd have a job, at least until he got caught speeding somewhere else. He got himself fired. Shlt happens.

You ratted him out. You have not provided any evidence that you or your family were being personally endangered by his speeding. If you wanted the cult to move on, you should have figured out a way to fight the cult directly, not make the bus driver a pawn in your game.

Provided any evidence? What are we - in court?
We are talking here about a graveled county road that is not quite two passenger cars' width with deep bar ditches on both sides and a bus loaded with 50 people going 40 miles an hour. The side opposite my land is open range with grazed cattle on it year round. Cattle don't watch for traffic, especially on a road that had never been used for much of anything. The guy was endangering my fences and my allotment renter's cattle on the other side, not to mention the lives of his passengers. You bet your ass I ratted him out, but HE got himself fired. I am surprised you can't logically understand that, all emotions aside.

I cannot believe an adult is making this argument...

Gave both the property owner and the driver fair notice, Dude.

Another 2nd Amendment assault?
 

My god

By applying YOUR logic and sense of priorities, it is perfectly ok for the authorities to come and take away all of ElChivito's firearms he needs at home for the protection of his family, livestock and for the safety of everyone that traverses the adjacent roads who could be harmed by this marauding road warrior that, when caught, personally threatens HIM and his family?


It is clear here that you are sticking to your guns, but you are gaining little traction here, because you are flat out
W R O N G

It'd be better to fall on one's sword over something else. Otherwise you could be swarmed by people claiming that having a "No ratting out" policy be THE most important and primary component of a moral code, and vulnerable to the suggestion that:

....

That by your choice, you are aligning yourself with violent drug dealing gang bangers, denizens of prison, and rogue out of control police, that would never "rat out" known malefactors friends and colleagues, and any like people that need to be caught, stopped and punished after a fair hearing with due process.


You ought to reboot your thinking.

Did I miss the part where ElChivito said he had anything against the neighbor and/or the religious facility? I thought the main thing was the traffic on the unpaved road, specifically, the speed of the traffic. I didn't think his actions were directed at the religious neighbor, other than trying to contact him in order to have him talk to the drivers. Was there mention of wanting to "shutdown" the neighbor's facility?

MV

You didn't miss anything. I had no beef with the neighbors or what they were doing. Spuddy assumed I was upset with a church camp at the end of the road I guess because we share some animosity towards organized religion.
Only thing bothering me was the speed and size of the traffic on an un-patrolled road. If that guy'd run his bus onto it's side in the bar ditch trying to avoid a steer I'd have been the only one to know it and the first one on scene.

That sounds a lot like a road I drove to work on every day for about two years. From the end of the pavement to the employee parking lot was 10.5 miles. I covered it in 12 and a half minutes most days. The guy who owned the company could do it in 10.

I didn't have ranging cattle to contend with, and I wasn't driving a bus. Still, with those added conditions 40 doesn't sound totally unreasonable if the road is fairly straight. As for fences, I hit one once. I got a ticket and insurance covered the damage. I approached that one particular corner a little slower after that, but still kept my 48 mph average on that road overall. In your situation I don't think I would have complained.

I'm with JP on this.

The odds are excellent that this guy has been doing this for a long time. Look at the arrogance, him out talking with the shop owner while displaying the fruits of his theft.

If this was a one-time occurrence, you know he'd be lots more guilty and secretive about it, that's human nature.

He doesn't deserve to have that job. But really, I'll bet he will have some story about it, and the evidence is circumstantial. Odds are the postal union will back him and he'll likely keep his job anyway. Of course if they actually open an investigation and tail him ...

Oh yeah, postal thief needs to go away.

I don't understand the notion that "ratting" someone out for theft is apparently worse than stealing the mail in the first place.

F**k that guy. He needs to lose his job right now. If hes stealing from JP hes stealing from anyone else if the pickin's look good. Ordered some nice earrings for the wife? that guys wife is wearing them. New skates for the kid? that guys kid has em. I bet we find the whole street has mail problems with packages not being delivered.

agree with cantknow, the evidence is circumstantial and its gonna be tough to prove its him exactly and make it stick, especially now that the postmaster has been alerted.

Not reporting the postal theif would have been a disservice to other users of the service. I always try to cause the least grief to others under a situation. Still sometimes there is no sane alternative.

This ass**** had no concept of all the problems a person goes through when an item is not received in the mail. Mind the physical loss.

Even with my attempted attitude to do the least damage possible. To me there would have been no other way than reporting him to stop it. Talking to him besides the ugliness may at best have just stopped the theft of your items.

Otherwise it would have continued for perhaps myself and many other people. I disagree the union can save him. Most employers will not tolerate and rightly so customer theft. I have given up trying to figure what motivates some people.

If my skill level was only adequate to deliver mail in Canada. The pay scale and benefits are well above what the job should be worth. So most employees would protect their jobs. This may be the reason the postal service is so far in the red plus the now vastly reduced use of it in comparison to past times. .We just received a notice that cheques from a party will now be only direct deposit.

I do our banking in person so some tellers get to hold their jobs. There has been a lot of effort to get me and others to do it all electronically. If Canadian banks were doing really poorly I might have to consider it. They are having really good profitable years as almost always. Yet they even want a bigger slice of the pie. People have to have jobs. The greed in our societies today is almost out of control. .

Hit 'em hard, Jon. I especially like to have justice meted out on ppl like that.

No I do not see the evidence as circumstantial. He will have to produce the source of the product and proof he purchased it there. The flavor in the bottles will be another important piece of evidence. The owner can identify it. . If he refuses to produce them upon employer demand is another issue.

The odds of the owner of the product being at the same place and with usable video coverage occurring where pretty thin but it occurred.

You might want to consider buying a lotto ticket this week if you normally do not. Remember if it comes in five percent would help me out. :D If not you can put me on your **** list.:(

Thanks!

The theft of the original two bottles has cost the company in shipping the replacements, plus the cost of the replacements, plus it's caused me to put out additional monies to purchase a different product to tide me over until the replacement order gets to me.

Granted, everything is still just under $50, but it's not the cost, it's the principal of the matter.

I really hate thieves.

It isn't, nor is it flat. 40 is way too fast for even a pickup, much less a bus full of people. It winds it's way up my mesa, then an up and down straight-away that I understand is hard to resist, followed by semi-switchbacks down to the creek level where the adjoining property lies. Posted county speeds are 25 and 15 on curves. County signs warn that the road is not maintained. I used to have the stretch along my fenceline graded and graveled once a year or so at my own expense, but don't anymore. Haven't since that issue came up. As it is now a jeep has a hard time going the posted speed. The property has since sold and all is quiet.

Barry, if he admits it, the union won't back him. But if he has a plausible story ("my friend from Philly brought it for me to try when he was passing through"), the union will support him. And if he's the a--face I suspect he is, he'll have the "friend" ready to back his lie. If Jon has him on video with a different story, that could carry some weight.

The best would be if they secretly open an investigation on him, build a case and then fire him...and prosecute him.

Let me rephrase that...actual costs are below $50, but retail pricing, without discounts, is up to about $80 by now.

We had a lady walk in and take $500 worth of printed product without paying for it. She knows she did it and I'm patiently waiting on her 'Christian' conscience to kick in but it won't because she's a sociopath with no guilt whatsoever for her wrong doings. And, if I prosecute, she'll surely put on the crocodile tears and play the victim saying that was taken advantage of by us. For us it's a no win but I can rest comfortably knowing we'll never have to deal with her again.

But, in your case, so long as he's working for the postal service, you'll have to deal with him by no choice of your own and your only solution is to have it shipped Fed-Ex next time.

Except that this isn't a trial. He doesn't have any burden of proof. Under normal union rules, they'll notify him and he'll come to a meeting with a union rep. He'll spout his story, the rep will back him and that will most likely be the end of it.

Sad if it works out that way. There is rumoured or appears to be a lot of theft in the mail services. Far too many parcels seem to get lost.

Canada has initiated tracking on all parcels in the last couple of years. The postage rates are now very high as well. I suspect this type of thing is why.

You overlook the fact that the only two bottles delivered in Pennsylvania were in possession of the USPS employee fencing them at the vape shop who also just happened to be the guy whose route was set up for delivery.....

Did anyone else see where ElChivito and JPlinville agree on something ?

(this makes up for the WWII threads :)

-John

Hold on...he wasn't trying to fence them, he was showing the shops owner the juice.

It's common for vapers to ask each other what flavor they are vaping on, and usually someone will produce a bottle of their liquid to show off, and share if someone was interested enough in it. This is customary due to not having any other way to sample unless you find a shop that carries that particular juice.