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Old 07-04-2014, 03:09 AM
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Talking Why French cars must always fail.

An American philosopher explains why:

This is witty, savage, slashing, learned, and may well be true. Pretty persuasive treatise, though hilariously put forth....

He makes his case here, beginning with a look at French philosophy.

"Heidegger could drive a Porsche of course, but no self-respecting Frenchman would be caught alive in a vehicle made in some other country".

More:

http://users.humboldt.edu/jwpowell/pomodoom.pdf



French cars?: "Nein, danke"


German cars? "Ja, bitte".
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:12 AM
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More than a little truth in that.

I would love a Peugeot 504 Cabriolet...... If it had something more powerful than the anemic 4 cyl.... Or even the somewhat less anemic V6.
Maybe a throaty 5liter V8 would have changed the history of the world
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Old 07-04-2014, 08:16 AM
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I don't know if better French cars would have improved philosophy, but the simple fact that Red Bull won four world championships in a row with Renault engines galls me to no end. The current dominance of Mercedes power units pleases me, though not as much as a similar performance by Ferrari would.
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Old 07-04-2014, 09:14 AM
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That's good right there. Lee Iacocca could have transformed French philosophy.
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Old 07-04-2014, 11:00 AM
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I'd love an old Citroen ID (the DS with slightly less complex hydraulics).
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Old 07-04-2014, 11:41 AM
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I'd love an old Citroen ID (the DS with slightly less complex hydraulics).

I have an extra one I am redoing completely. I'll keep you in mind. Start saving now. The car is getting a 100% restoration.

I am converting to green fluid LHM which is the same stuff th new Audis and Bentleys use. Cits have been using it since 1964.

All made by the German company Pentosin.
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Old 07-04-2014, 03:54 PM
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Still want me some Citroen some day.
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Old 07-04-2014, 04:22 PM
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I have an extra one I am redoing completely. I'll keep you in mind. Start saving now. The car is getting a 100% restoration.
I'd rather buy a turdbox and restore myself rather than paying someone like you for a mint example. No offense, of course
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Old 07-04-2014, 04:31 PM
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I'd rather buy a turdbox and restore myself rather than paying someone like you for a mint example. No offense, of course
LOL@"someone like you"
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Old 07-16-2014, 10:11 AM
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I'd rather buy a turdbox and restore myself rather than paying someone like you for a mint example. No offense, of course
Good luck in finding the parts.

I spent 20 years making a network of people in France to get parts. I bring back what I need except in a couple cases, like recently when I purchased a running 1937 1911 Perfo engine and trans and had it shipped through Customs with a an expediter. All for less than an MB engine over here.

The Americans over here will rape you worse than anything you would ever find in buying Rolls Royce parts at a dealer.
They are the most unscrupulous people you could meet.
One guy in CA sold me something, then claimed it was stolen, refused to refund me. I went to Las Vegas on business and visited him to get my money back in person.

Be prepared for that kind of chicanery and learn to read technical manauls in French, you should do ok.

By the way, since every "turdbox" you find is claimed by its owner to be a rare jewel, be prepared to pay top dollar for it.
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Anybody want to guess the 2 French made cars sold in America today?
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Old 07-18-2014, 05:22 PM
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Is there a relatively popular engine swap to improve the performance of the DS? What about the engine of the Citroen SM?
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Old 07-19-2014, 09:03 PM
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Is there a relatively popular engine swap to improve the performance of the DS? What about the engine of the Citroen SM?
The SM engine is the same very finicky engine in the Maserati Merak of that era. Either a 2.7 or a 3.0 with a very slow auto trans, so a manual is de rigueur.

There is a guy who is putting a 3.5 turbo diesel in DS and SM cars in France, am trying to tour his company factory when I go to France in September.
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Old 07-20-2014, 08:36 AM
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I think the diesel from the C35 Van series is a direct drop in. The diesel from the CX series fits but rotates the other direction. I am not sure if the differential can be inverted as is possible with the 2cv

The factory has experimented with the SM motor in the DS , never in production.

You have a link to the guy in France with the 3.5 conversion?


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Old 07-21-2014, 02:55 PM
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Yep, it was wound out at 73 mph. That's about what an air cooled vw would do too but if you did it with the simca you might blow it up....like I did on a little downhill section.

You just told me more than I ever knew about the bigger simca. I had seen the flathead v8 mentioned in the repair manuals though. I suspect it was an English flathead.

I seem to remember recently seeing some of them left over on ebay from some sort of a military application.
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