I believe I predicted this. (if not here at least in my mind)

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Add Skoda owned by volkswagon and probably the target market for them is old eastern block countries.

They use the volkswagon tdi engines as well. I have no ideal if they will be persecuted or not. They must have a reasonable size of production runs though.

Volkswagon has gone pretty quiet reciently. They may be having really great problems finding a way to reduce the nox low enough at highway speeds. Or it is so intrusive to other aspects to do so. The cars will not remain acceptable if achieved.

I do not think any car diesel has managed it yet. Volkswagon will probably have to after their deceptions. I would not expect the testers to do them any favors.

Indications volkswagon is trying to boost sales this week or at least increase tire kickers/.

How?

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1985 Mercedes-Benz 280TE - Waiting for heart surgery.

1985 Mercedes-Benz 300TDT - Rear ended 23 September 2016 and now looking for a new home.

1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD - Parted out.

1964 Volkswgen Beetle - Vater's since September 1968 and undergoing a restoration.

1971 Volkswagen Sunroof Squareback with F.I. - in need of full restoration.

1971 Volkswagen Squareback automatic with F.I. - Vacationing with her caretaker until he is in better health.

That may be the crux of the problem. But what about Mercedes? They appear to have managed do do so no?

- Peter.

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Formerly...
2000 GMC Sonoma
1981 240D 4spd stick. 347000 miles. Deceased Feb 14 2021
2002 Kia Rio. Worst crap on four wheels
1981 240D 4spd stick. 389000 miles.
1984 123 200
1979 116 280S
1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille
1971 108 280S

And B.M.W..

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Current fleet:

1985 Mercedes-Benz 280TE - Waiting for heart surgery.

1985 Mercedes-Benz 300TDT - Rear ended 23 September 2016 and now looking for a new home.

1979 Mercedes-Benz 300TD - Parted out.

1964 Volkswgen Beetle - Vater's since September 1968 and undergoing a restoration.

1971 Volkswagen Sunroof Squareback with F.I. - in need of full restoration.

1971 Volkswagen Squareback automatic with F.I. - Vacationing with her caretaker until he is in better health.

I wouldn't be surprised if they are cheating too.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

BMW diesels performed well in real world tests. I believe mercedes did also. The same tests which identified the vw problem.

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Maybe they are better at gaming it.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

The standards can be met, but at the price of performance or Adblue urea tanks, so cheating is not the only way to meet the standards.

I read somewhere that when VW was designing the current TDI engine, they were looking at the option of using the urea tank system that Mercedes uses. VW decided that the urea system was too expensive, but now it looks like the MB system would have saved them millions of dollars.

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The ticklish situation is that the new head of VW used to manage Porsche.

I'd better place it @ a billion or more.....is most likely what it's going to cost them - all said and done.

It was estimated to be (I think) $335/car, but they ruled that that was too much and went with a cheat instead, partly due to a company-wide cost-cutting initiative at the time. $335/car would have been ~$3.7B, a whole lot less than they are having to spend now.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

Does this in some way lend credence to their "The engineers did it and didn't tell us!" line? It would esplain why they didn't reveal it earlier.

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1982 300SD -- 211k, Texas car, tranny issues ____ 1979 240D 4-speed 234k -- turbo and tuned IP, third world taxi hot rod

2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

While the science and math isn't particularly precise, there are now first run estimates as to the health costs of the VW cheat. It varies by location, as the cars are more widely sold outside the US and the emission effects vary, but statisticians are now putting up "increased deaths" as part of the effects.

The not-so-invisible damage from VW diesel cheat: $100 million in health costs

Study: Volkswagen

Volkswagen emissions scandal could kill 200 Britons, warns MIT and Harvard - Telegraph