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OM617YOTA 11-17-2015 04:34 PM

Non Ethanol gas
 
Who has experience with this stuff? What has your experience been vs. E10 gas? MPG increase or decrease, power change?

pmckechnie 11-17-2015 06:46 PM

Yes, It is better than the E10 junk they say we need. I have tried it several times in my 84 500SEL over the last few years and would always see about a 10% increase in mpg and maybe a 10% increase in power and the engine is just more responsive. Now the problem, it cost more and is not easy to find if traveling.
For the last 2 years I have been using Sta-Bil Marine fuel stabilizer. About 1 oz every other fill up. I don't think it helps mileage or power, but it neutralizes the acid formed by the ethanol and water from condensation.
Most people think that the E in E10 is for ethanol, but it really is for EVIL. And EVIL10 is really bad stuff for the older cars. Manufacturers had to change some parts to withstand the ethanol.

PaulM

catmandoo62 11-17-2015 09:28 PM

non ethanol gas is all i use.and in everything.yes it is evil and i live in farm country where e10 e25 and e85 is everywhere.and my vw needs 91 octane and that is really hard to find without ethanol.

kerry 11-17-2015 09:56 PM

I use non-ethanol gas in my outboards.

Drago 11-17-2015 09:59 PM

Non ethanol is the best. If I ever get a gasser I'm gong to the track and fill some cans up just to cut the percentage down

tyl604 11-17-2015 10:47 PM

There is an app called Pure-Gas.org which will find non-ethanol, ie real gas stations in your area. There is ONE in Atlanta.

OM617YOTA 11-17-2015 11:27 PM

Thanks for the replies.

I've burned two tanks in the GTO. First tank saw a huge hit in mileage, second tank had mpg nearly back where it was on E10. Didn't notice any extra power, did seem slightly more responsive.

Not worth the 40% cost increase over E10 for me. I doubt I'll try it in the Mr2.

Small engines will definitely be getting it, though.

Mölyapina 11-17-2015 11:45 PM

I don't know, the MR2 might respond better to it then the GTO, since it was built pre-E10.

tyl604 11-18-2015 08:16 AM

Interesting. What year GTO; how about a pic. I would have thought you would get a lot more performance and some higher gas mileage with non-ethanol gas. Did you use 100 Octane (which I think is really about 93 but they used to call it 100)? Or you could try some of the additive which ups the octane.

But 40% higher in cost. Bad news.

Mölyapina 11-18-2015 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by tyl604 (Post 3542376)
Interesting. What year GTO; how about a pic. I would have thought you would get a lot more performance and some higher gas mileage with non-ethanol gas. Did you use 100 Octane (which I think is really about 93 but they used to call it 100)? Or you could try some of the additive which ups the octane.

But 40% higher in cost. Bad news.

It's a 2004... in his sig.

fahrvergnugen 11-18-2015 12:49 PM

Anyone who runs gas-powered small equipment won't use E-10; 1] the manufactuers' tell you not to, 2] it eats the carb seals and fuel lines, and of course is more hygroscopic, IE it attracts more moisture out of the air.

Another problem with 'ethanated' fuels is the crap doesn't stay mixed. They put in 10% at the fuel depot, but the ethanol is lighter (IIRC) and separates. SO, hypothetically, you could get a super-dose of ethanol and be none the wiser, until it won't run.

An acquaintance in the local VW club I was in lost his Corrado due to running E10; fuel line ruptured, spray hit the exhaust, he then drove a mobile bonfire. Total loss. Our cars aren't designed for this stuff, and no one should run it in theirs if it wasn't.

Cool thing about OK? EVERY pump has a sticker on it, telling you if it has ethanol or not.

Neat link, Pure-Gas.Org!

DieselPaul 11-18-2015 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by fahrvergnugen (Post 3542434)

An acquaintance in the local VW club I was in lost his Corrado due to running E10; fuel line ruptured, spray hit the exhaust, he then drove a mobile bonfire. Total loss. Our cars aren't designed for this stuff, and no one should run it in theirs if it wasn't.

That is a serious stretch for cause and effect.

fahrvergnugen 11-18-2015 01:39 PM

I should add; he always used E10 when pure gas was available, just a bit more expensive. And the fuel lines made in '92-93 were not made to withstand ethanol. If you doubt me on that last one, do some research and convince yourself.

bsharp8256 11-18-2015 02:36 PM

I get a 2-3 mpg bump with pure gas in my S55, I can't say I noticed a difference in power. I've run ethanol gas in my Falcon ever since they quit selling the good stuff around here (probably about 5 years ago). While I would prefer to keep the corn out of my fuel system, I'm of the opinion that as long as you drive it regularly to keep the fuel fresh, you won't have any problems. No issues in any of my other gassers, either.

OM617YOTA 11-18-2015 04:46 PM

Thanks for the replies, folks.

Yes, '04 GTO in my signature.


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