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Mölyapina 04-20-2016 04:43 PM

VW news coming tomorrow... stay tuned!
 
Rumors include that they might be offering each owner $5000, buying the cars back, or perhaps a mix...

If they do the $5000 to each owner option, I'm curious how that would be doled out... to current owners, to people who bought them new, or some other group? Would people who bought cars after the scandal broke be eligible, or would the money go to the people they bought it from, or to neither?

And if they do buy them back, would it be at current market value or at pre-scandal market value? I can't see it making sense for them to pay MSRP, since the owners have received some amount of use out of the car already.

Volkswagen Will Offer $5000 (Update: And Maybe A Buyback) To Customers Affected By Dieselgate: Report

Mxfrank 04-20-2016 06:09 PM

I don't see how offering cash to customers squares them with EPA. Short of buying all the cars back & crushing them, I can't imagine how they expect to solve this.

Mölyapina 04-20-2016 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mxfrank (Post 3591747)
I don't see how offering cash to customers squares them with EPA. Short of buying all the cars back & crushing them, I can't imagine how they expect to solve this.

I think that's to compensate for the lost value...

engatwork 04-20-2016 08:11 PM

Another cash for clunkers program:).

INSIDIOUS 04-20-2016 08:36 PM

I'd wait on taking the 5K unless the car is already totaled or worth less than 5K, until the gov decides if these will even be street legal.

Mölyapina 04-20-2016 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by INSIDIOUS (Post 3591786)
I'd wait on taking the 5K unless the car is already totaled or worth less than 5K, until the gov decides if these will even be street legal.

Not sure why you wouldn't take a $5k check? This wouldn't be a buyback, just a reparation for the scandal.

INSIDIOUS 04-20-2016 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Mölyapina (Post 3591790)
Not sure why you wouldn't take a $5k check? This wouldn't be a buyback, just a reparation for the scandal.

If the choice was a buy back. Or to sue them for a worthless vehicle. Take the 5K and sign away anything else. Might be stuck with a lawn ornament.

Mxfrank 04-20-2016 10:35 PM

The report makes no sense. There's not going to be a $5000 check just for nothing. Resale value is the owner's problem, Vdub's problem is avoiding ruinous fines. These cars will need to be bought back and scrapped, or brought back to dealers for retrofit. Since VW has yet to demonstrate a compliant retrofit, I expect the scrapyard will be the only option allowed by the court. At some point, it will become impossible to register non-compliant VW's in the US.

t walgamuth 04-20-2016 11:41 PM

What I heard on the radio was to be a buy back, I believe.

nate300d 04-21-2016 11:21 AM

VW is now being sued for patent infringement on hybrid technology.
The defeat in the diesels in the ECU. I would think replacing or reprogramming and ECU would be far less than $5,000. Also, it would show that you FIXED the issue rather than merely cover it with cash. It is going to be a tough road for VW for some time.

TX76513 04-21-2016 11:27 AM

VW saves thousands of dollars every day they can drag this on. To be eligible for the settlement you have to own the vehicle in question between Sept. XX of last year and to the date of settlement. People that sold vehicles, totaled them etc. are not eligible. It stands in VWs interest to get as many of these out of the suit as possible.

Mölyapina 04-21-2016 12:04 PM

VW Diesel Emissions Settlement - Volkswagen TDI Solution

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According to the preliminary "agreement in principle," Volkswagen will give owners the option to sell affected TDI vehicles back to VW, or to have the vehicle modified to meet emissions standards. Consumers who have leased an affected vehicle will be allowed to cancel their lease agreements.

The settlement also provides for payment of "substantial compensation" to affected owners in conjunction with the aforementioned buybacks and vehicle modifications, though a specific dollar amount per consumer was not announced in today's hearing.

Thirdly, the court stated that Volkswagen will establish a fund for "appropriate remediation efforts" to address the excess NOx emissions created by the affected vehicles. In addition, VW will be required to commit funding to promote "green automotive technology." No dollar amounts were mentioned here, either.
So there still is no fix, but they are expecting to have one come out at somepoint? One of things not mentioned is whether owners will be required to bring their cars in for a fix or not... will this vary state-by-state, or what?

barry12345 04-21-2016 01:10 PM

I think Volkswagon will survive but are taking several heavy hits. Their gas cars have made the ten do not buy cars list in Canada reciently. Basically too many expensive type failures.

High pressure fuel pumps contaminating fuel systems with lost metals from them. Automatic transmissions once again not that reliable. It is becoming a serious issue with the auto transmissions as they have remained an issue far too long in the brand.

The frozen intercooler issues as well. Then one also has to wonder if they will continue diesel sales even though they probably will as worldwide they have been signifigant.

The buyback issue is not to destroy the vehicles I suspect. Just move them to countries with no pollution requirements and sell them as used vehicles perhaps. I suspected they may do this from day one anyways.

Although it probably just was luck of the draw they got caught out over another brand. For quite some time I have not seen many new Volkswagon products on the road locally either.

I was considering a new Volkswagon gas car for the wife for the safety aspect especially. With the latest ratings it is not as likely to happen.

nate300d 04-21-2016 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by barry12345 (Post 3591977)
I think Volkswagon will survive but are taking several heavy hits. Their gas cars have made the ten do not buy cars list in Canada reciently. Basically too many expensive type failures.

High pressure fuel pumps contaminating fuel systems with lost metals from them. Automatic transmissions once again not that reliable. It is becoming a serious issue with the auto transmissions as they have remained an issue far too long in the brand.

The frozen intercooler issues as well. Then one also has to wonder if they will continue diesel sales even though they probably will as worldwide they have been signifigant.

The buyback issue is not to destroy the vehicles I suspect. Just move them to countries with no pollution requirements and sell them as used vehicles perhaps. I suspected they may do this from day one anyways.

Although it probably just was luck of the draw they got caught out over another brand. For quite some time I have not seen many new Volkswagon products on the road locally either.

I was considering a new Volkswagon gas car for the wife for the safety aspect especially. With the latest ratings it is not as likely to happen.

As far as safety I have to had it to Hyundai. I have a coworker who was t-boned in his Sonata at a light by a large Ford diesel pickup at highway speed. He is going to require neck surgery yet being hit at the driver's door at 60mph he was able to walk away.

barry12345 04-21-2016 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nate300d (Post 3591983)
As far as safety I have to had it to Hyundai. I have a coworker who was t-boned in his Sonata at a light by a large Ford diesel pickup at highway speed. He is going to require neck surgery yet being hit at the driver's door at 60mph he was able to walk away.

Remarkable in any car. Oddly enough one thing I was examining. I can buy a Hyudia elantra new at times or it's equivelant Kia product with a manual transmission pretty cheap. Around 10k in Canada. Drive it to almost 100k killometers or 60k miles and dump it with the remaining portion of the mechanical warranty.

As the market is today you probably will recover at least half of what you paid and go buy another one. Generally a used car buyer will be unaware of the new cost of what you are selling.

Possibly the cheapest overall cost of owning newer cars I can come up with. The problems they have should not surface at under 100K kilometers. Yet what does if any is probably under warranty. Costs per mile or killometer of ownership is about as low as it gets with new cars on that basis. That's if you want to stay in newer cars under warranty.


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