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Old 01-09-2019, 11:38 AM
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P-47 Thunderbolt had a radial, the P-38 Lightning used two Allison V-12s. Both I think had a single stage supercharger and a turbocharger.

The BMW fighter, I think is the FW-190A. It was sort of the nemesis of the Spite and the P-47. It later changed to the DB605 (??) V-12. Also, used in the ME-109.

There were a lot of fighters in WW2 that used a radial engine. One advantage is that they did not use coolant. There were a few squadrons of P-40 Warhawks that were grounded in Australia. No coolant. For some reason a supply Sargent didn't see a need to send glycol there.

I haven't attended an airshow in a while. Some, say the Merlin sounds different between the Mustang and Spitefire. The Merlin was produced in the US, under license by Packard.
Correct on the P-38. My mistake.

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Old 01-09-2019, 11:39 AM
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News flash to OP: We have all slept a few times since WWII. Old news, NEXT.
Then feel free to ignore the thread.

You are the last one to talk about old news.... you post threads based on incidents that happened years ago.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:51 AM
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I have no idea where I got my love of airplanes from. My parents, being from Europe, always went back each summer to visit relatives. I always got to go due to my age. I always looked forward to flying. We took a 707 on Martin air from Nassau to Amsterdam (I think) and I loved that plane. I hated the dc-7 FROM Miami. Dam thing with hit air turbulence and drop a few hundred feet in a few sec. Ugh

Dad and I would go out to MIA international airport and watch planes every now and then. When the air shows came to town we would try and see them. I have always been partial to the Thunderbirds over the Blue Angles.

When I lived in Tucson, I was introduced the the air races. Holy crap. I recall a plane called Bear Claw (I think). It was painted gold, stubby wings, HUGE propeller.... coming down the front straight about 100ft off the deck WOT. Man what a sound. The ground shook as he passed by.
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Old 01-09-2019, 11:58 AM
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As some here are air enthusiasts, there's a book out there about WWI air craft that had the radial engines rotating around the fixed crankshaft (?!?) .

Very interesting indeed .
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Old 01-10-2019, 08:02 AM
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As some here are air enthusiasts, there's a book out there about WWI air craft that had the radial engines rotating around the fixed crankshaft (?!?) .

Very interesting indeed .
Yes, most WW1 plane the radial cylinders rotated about the crankshaft. Also, they were tow strokes, using castor oil.

'When I lived in Tucson, I was introduced the the air races. Holy crap. I recall a plane called Bear Claw (I think). It was painted gold, stubby wings, HUGE propeller.... coming down the front straight about 100ft off the deck WOT. Man what a sound. The ground shook as he passed by. '

Do a search for 'Rare Bear'. It was a Grumman Bearcat, used for air races. I remember it hanging in the Air and Space Museum in the mid '70's.
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Old 01-11-2019, 07:49 AM
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'I meant it was the only fighter that was continually built during the war.'

I checked into this. I believe it to be true. The Spitfire entered service in 1938. I think it was fairly new, when Germany invaded France. Britain did not send the Spitfire to France though. France was fighter poor. Their new line fighters were in short supply. They did use the P-36 Mohawk. A radial version of the P-40 Warhawk. The ME-109 had been flying since 1936, in the Spanish Civil War. The Zero would not see service till 1940. Japan was at war with China etc. from about 1936 or so. The P-38 Lighting was in production about 1940-41. So, those are the contenders, so to speak.

So, if we say 1938 to 1945 was the time span for WW2. Then the Zero came in two year to late. The P-40 stopped production I think in 43 or 44. The Lightning was in production the full time the US was in WW2. Germany surrendered in '44. So, only the Spitfire was in production the entire war.

Russia started the was with the I-16. It was very advanced when it came out in 1932 (??). Italy, I think had Biplanes and near obsolete monoplanes. Its amazing how the ME-109 and the Spitfire were frontline fighters at the start of the war, and were modified till the end to remain effective.

According to my source, about 20,000 Spitfires were produced. Compare that to 35,000 Mustangs and 35,000 Hellcats. I think 40,000 to 50,000 ME-109s. Also, some sources say only 10,000 Zeros. The source I looked at last night, there were 4 produced variants of the Zero. Each one had about 12,000 of them produced.

Edit, I check Wiki. They have the Zero at 10,000 total production. They book I referenced usually had the total at the end.

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Old 01-11-2019, 08:14 AM
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Very interesting! thanks!
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Old 01-11-2019, 08:17 AM
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years ago my brother worked for Hollywood Sports Cars.They sold triumph,mg,jensen,and jags. Both spitfire,and mg midget,could not keep clutches,they would burn up. It was a thrust bearing,allowing whole crank to move forward,that made them slip and fail.Miss those old days,he got to bring a 440 cid Jensen home for a weekend.
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:39 AM
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Different Spitfire.

Speaking of the P-38, I was reading that while it was a hell of a plane, it was also a bit of a handful. There was a sequence you had to perform with the engines or risk damaging them. It did well in the Pacific theater but not so well in Europe, the weather colderer that in the Pacific and the altitudes higher:

https://www.historynet.com/p-38-flunked-europe.htm

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The P-38 performed usefully but suffered from a number of problems. Its Allison engines consistently threw rods, swallowed valves and fouled plugs, while their intercoolers often ruptured under sustained high boost and turbocharger regulators froze, sometimes causing catastrophic failures.

Arrival of the newer P-38J to fill in behind the P-38H was supposed to help, but did not help enough. The J model’s enlarged radiators were trouble-prone. Improperly blended British fuel exacerbated the problems: Anti-knock lead compounds literally seethed out and became separated in the Allison’s induction system at extreme low temperatures. This could cause detonation and rapid engine failure, especially at the high power settings demanded for combat.

The P-38’s General Electric turbo-supercharger sometimes got stuck in over-boosted or under-boosted mode. This occurred mainly when the fighter was flown in the freezing cold at altitudes approaching 30,000 feet, which was the standard situation in the European air war. Another difficulty was that early P-38 versions had only one generator, and losing the associated engine meant the pilot had to rely on battery power.

In an article on ausairpower.net, Carlo Kopp noted that in their early days in the European theater, “Many of the P-38s assigned to escort missions were forced to abort and return to base. Most of the aborts were related to engines coming apart in flight….[due to] intercoolers that chilled the fuel/air mixture too much. Radiators that lowered engine temps below normal operating minimums. Oil coolers that could congeal the oil to sludge. These problems could have been fixed at the squadron level. Yet, they were not.”
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Interesting article on the P-38. I knew it had problems in Europe as to the cold weather and the Supercharger freezing. The problem with the Alison was that it had a single stage supercharger. So, above 20,000 ft, it dogged out. The P-38 has the additional supercharger. I think the P-47 had a similar setup.
I am not sure as to the fighters take off procedure. I fly RC planes. At one club meeting, we had a speaker, who flew B-17's in Europe. He said there would be possibly 5 airports in a county. So, you could no fly straight out and climb. You had to take off, then circle up.
I also wonder about the range. I read somewhere, that at a certain point auxiliary fuel tanks were aluminum. Since this was a critical and reusable material, it was not wanted to be dropped over German territory. Then came the compressed paper auxiliary tanks. The P-38 did fly missions over the Aleutian Island that were 8 hour flights or more.
I'll also take acceptation that the Japanese pilots were not at the level of the Germans. Just reference Saboro Sakia. 100 or so kills. The best German pilot in the Western theater only had 78. I think Gunther Rahl.

Back to the original post. The women who flew ferry missions, these were dangerous missions. Some did die. There could be weather hazards too. Some of these planes were/are a handful. Some are even wrecked by experience pilots today.
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I think the Tigers flew P-40 Tomahawks.
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Old 01-14-2019, 11:16 AM
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Lots of dead fighter pilot trainees due to the fact the government didn't see the need to create two seat trainers which would have allowed an experienced pilot to better train an inexperienced one.

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Lots of dead fighter pilot trainees due to the fact the government didn't see the need to create two seat trainers which would have allowed an experienced pilot to better train an inexperienced one.

Perfect.
Um, there was the T-6 Texan. Also, they had 'obsolete fighters as trainers. Also, the US had Florida and Lake Michigan. Florida was year round flying. Lake Michigan afforded carrier landing. A problem as notes in the P-38 article, was that many pilots were switched from one type of fighter to another, in their theater. Most of the had a few hours on the ground and had to learn on their first mission.

If you have seen 'Tora, Tora, Tora', remember the scene with the woman flying the biplane. Then it is surrounded by Zeros? I always though it was a woman being trained and OGM. No, she was actually a phenomenal pilot. One of the better woman pilots of her day. She if ferry planes as a WAC. I think she died ferrying a plane.
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Old 01-14-2019, 05:45 PM
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I personally saw I believe at least four different 2 seat trainer planes in the Texas Air museum in League city last week.
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Back in the day (my day) Navy had SNJ (T6 Texan), T-34 (basic primary trainer) and T-28,(advanced trainer w/jet-simulated cockpit). There were also twin cockpit jet trainers (don't know the designation) that were just coming up as I left.

Husky is wrong again.

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