dont confuse the old rock solid peugoets to the new ones they sell, the new ones will make General Motors plastic interior look like luxury upscale and the insanity of their designs will make you question the mental state of the designing engineers.

how do fusebox service requiring dashboard removal sound like?

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Très français...

Well they have brought into Nissen. So you can buy cars with at least some of their parts. Nissen or perhaps still known as Datsun in japan. Was going under I believe at the time. There is a new dealership here.

People locally have long memories. Honda tried to deal with their serious rusting issues. Where Datsun just pulled the plug and came back as Nissen here years later. Leaving their customers high and dry. Known currently as having the worse automatic transmissions. As are some other brands at this time.

I think you're confusing Peugeot with Renault. Peugeot is tied up with China and India.

Datsun made a smooth transition to Nissan in the US, maybe 1990? I never understood the name change, as it squandered decades of marketing. Datsun Z was the poor man's E-Type, Nissan Z has been a car that's easy to overlook. There was always something cheap about Nissan dealers. Lots of models crowded into small showrooms, and the least knowledgeable salesmen in the business. The last time I visited one of their dealerships was 2011, when I looked at a Rogue. It really wasn't impressive, and the salespeople were trading on price, not features or quality. I look at some of their cars and I wonder...Juke, the ugliest car since the Aztek. Murano "crosscabriolet", a convertible for the uncool. And Leaf, the electric car for those who aren't interested in range, luxury, or performance. Somehow they survive. Ghosn was in legal trouble recently, I haven't been keeping up.

The brand name Nissan (meaning made in Japan) is still sold as Nissan in Japan, Datsun (Datosan) is the old name of the brand (pre 1980) - and if you trace even back then The brand Road Prince will be found in history books. (the famous skyline used to be called the Road Prince Skyline)

The names of the cars were numerical, e.g. the car called the sentra here is called sunny there and the datsun version was called 120Y, during changeover they named the car as Datsun 120Y by Nissan.

The brand was famous for rock solid cars, but they sunk themselves in by making a ton of rock solid but old design cars later on which forced them to sell off (customers wanted a sleek looker rather than a workhorse) this is where Renault came in and bought it.

Renault and Pug make good looking cars with useless reliability, with nissan even with Renault management, the reliability went down but not to Renault level down (that would have been a collosal disaster).

The most funny part of Nissan Ssangyo now is there investment into JATCO and making the van doorne belt CVT for transverse installations. They have invested so much into JATCO that they have to eat the pie complete even when its made of mud.

to understand the above, read on the nissan cvt failures - this same reason caused other manufacturers to drop Jatco cvt as their choice gearboxes for their vehicles and had to get ZF stepshift units etc. Just to keep the customers ratings up. Nissan OTOH is replacing cvts left, right and center.

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2000 E320 - The evolution (consumed by flood 2017)

You bet. Nothing can beat french design.. (makes you wonder what was the designer doing at the time of execution)

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1995 E300D - The original humming machine (consumed by Flood 2017)
2000 E320 - The evolution (consumed by flood 2017)

You have to have actually worked on a French vehicle to understand how odd they were .

One example : the 1975 505 four door sedan I paid $125 for ran slowly, very slowly and had a super stiff accelerator pedal .

O.K., let's take a look, it's a Dodctor's car, he never had it serviced so I did a regular tune up and so on, looky there ! ~ it's a four cylinder engine with two separate single BBL carburettors ! .

WTH ? .

One was seized at the throttle plate and this had damaged the accelerator cable, off to the junkyard I go where for $ 20 I found a good used secondary carby and throttle cable, took home and installed & adjusted, the car flew after that and got decent fuel economy .

It was still a worthless old Frenchy car (about 1997) with failing clear coat paint so I sold it to two Mexican girls who loved it to death, drove the crap out of it and still talk fondly about it to - day .

? My advice ? unless you like orphans, stay away from French cars, I enjoyed the ones I had but not enough to keep any of them .

I know a Machinist (Pierre) who loves Simcas and especially the 1970 Simca 1100 Sedan he found, rescued and actually drives, much to the annoyance of his otherwise loving wife .

I'm pretty sure she's a native Californian and so hates anything not currently stylish .

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Looking around how things are changing. Automotive franchises where induced into building larger new buildings. Almost all of them are fairly new locally. Now I think the bottom has dropped out of many brands sales wise.


I suspect some will close their doors if this continues. I think currently many are trying to force more money out of each sale to partially compensate.


Vehicles are not only also increasing in price. Far too many brands have serious problems like short lived automatic transmissions. Hype in selling cars is also losing ground I suspect. There are far too many used cars in the marketplace as well. At least In this region.


The default rates by buyers is also showing substantial growth. So the paper holders are going to tighten up their terms.

My first car was a 1960 Simca aronde with the flash motor. I drove it in HS and then a couple of years in college. Lovely ride and handling but crap on durability of motor and tranny. When it blew a rod the second time I pushed it to the nearest junkyard.

I also had a eighty something Peugot wagon with gas motor. It had an automatic and the only good thing about it was the AC worked. It also was delightful to drive but junk mechanically. I had it a few months and sold it along with its AC blowing cold on a 90 plus degree day with huge humidity.

Parts were a nightmare. One day I opened the lid of the fuse box and found a total rats nest of skinny wires . I just closed it carefully and cleaned up the car for sale.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

Just what we need, another ugly SUV. What is with the name, "Rifter". I guess not really a drifter. I say in four years Peugeot will announce they are exiting the US market, again.

Wow ;

This is beginning to sounds like 1962 all over again, the hate for French and Italian cars was stronger than the anger against "those damn sneaky Japanese" who dared to try and sell their cars here....

French cars are different, not necessarily bad, I was a Mechanic in an indie Poo-Joe garage in the 1970's and most of our Customers loved their little Pugs....

Two French brothers owned and ran the place, they didn't ever talk about Renaults .

I wish the very best for Peugeot, I won't be buying any of their wares though.

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1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Hard on cars thread? When fiat announced sales again in north America. I assumed they had by now built better cars or why come. They have now been withdrawn is my understanding. That may spare some that may have still purchased them.

I have stayed away from the big three labels now for decades. After two new ones fell apart basically.

Thinking I was unreasonably biased. I eventually took a new rental for a week. A GM product. The only thing and I mean the only thing that was good about it was the automatic transmission. It got poor gas milage. The suspension was poor. Everything seemed as cheap as possible.

So I priced the model at a dealership. Slightly better than 30K. No wonder they have lost market share. The two new turkeys we purchased long ago were Chrysler units.

? You know it's an acronym, right ? .

Just so you'll understand the bigger picture : since Fiat went their own way they've suddenly begun making money again and selling more cars.....

Yes, I know better than you how horrid their cars were back in the day and how their recent little niche car has many who didn't like it but, they're out from under any American thumb and doing O.K.....

I'm not suggesting you or anyone else here buy a F.I.A.T. or a Renault either, just be aware they are a serious auto maker .

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1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better

Fiat are still the same, just take a look at the magnificent pile of scrap that is the Fiat 500, window lift mechanisms made of plastic which do not fit correct.

Take a look at the new Dodge Dart which is a Fiat car (alfa romeo) - to remove front control arm bushings, you have to disassemble the chassis bracing that holds the front bumper and finisher, Add some cheap italian plastic and the story becomes even more delightful.

I have worked on modern peugeots etc (post 2000). When the designer makes a fuse box larger than the service opening and simply writes in the service manual to remove the whole monolith piece dashboard to replace the fuses, They deserve to be ridiculed.

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1995 E300D - The original humming machine (consumed by Flood 2017)
2000 E320 - The evolution (consumed by flood 2017)

Fair enough ~ I'm a Journeyman Mechanic yes, but I stopped working on new vehicles in about 1986 .

My son came of age during the 1990's and told me that Hondas from the 1980's on were well designed to be serviced ~ apparently they were "modular) to ease assembly and so doing a clutch job on a FWD Honda car was dead simple, as easy as my old air cooled VW's .

He's not impressed by current Hondas one bit .

When I was an Indie Pug Mechanic they were still pretty simple even though they like all French cars, were *very* different .

Making the fuse box access hole smaller, that's silly and you're right, they deserve to be chided .

Of course, it may well turn out that "simply" disconnecting all the wires allows you to turn it so it *barely* slips out the opening..... .

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-Nate
1982 240D 408,XXX miles
Ignorance is the mother of suspicion and fear is the father

I did then what I knew how to do ~ now that I know better I do better