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merc lover 10-22-2019 08:27 PM

Being in your own home is not the problem; hearing strange sounds outside then standing upright in front of a window is a problem.

merc lover 10-22-2019 08:29 PM

Strange sounds could be anything; wild animal, cops or a burglar. Best to lie low and wait for the culprit(s) to break down the door. Hopefully, the culprit(s) choose to move on and leave you alone.

davidmash 10-22-2019 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by merc lover (Post 3969610)
Strange sounds could be anything; wild animal, cops or a burglar. Best to lie low and wait for the culprit(s) to break down the door. Hopefully, the culprit(s) choose to move on and leave you alone.

Still paranoid as ever. Nice to know that there is some consistency with you.

Diesel911 10-22-2019 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth (Post 3969503)
Yeah, I agree was her fault for being home!

The court is going to decide on that.

About 4 months ago I backed out of a parking spot a little ahead of someone who also backed out but at a 90 degree angle. We hit but not hard.

Who's fault was it? I think we were both at fault because neither of us saw the other till it was too late.

So it is entirely possible for 2 people to contribute to negative incident.

I am a home owner and I have a right to have a gun and a right to defend my home from intruders if the come inside. I don't have the right to shoot someone outside just because they are on my property. I don't need to be close to the window because I am not going to shoot out of it.

Having a Gun does not shield me from being shot if I am standing in a possible line of fire.
When I had a Gun in a similar situation I laid down prone on the floor and pointed the Gun at the open window that I thought was the only way to get in.

Likewise the Officer should also have been ready to get out of any line if fire. Shining any sort of light at night makes you a target if there is someone that wants to shoot or an ambush you.

From the video the Officer was caught by surprise. He shined the light in and there she was with a Gun. He remembered to say raise your hands twice but not to identify himself as a police officer.

Both of them made little bad decisions that sent them on a collision course. Both had other choices they could have made.

Diesel911 10-22-2019 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash (Post 3969620)
Still paranoid as ever. Nice to know that there is some consistency with you.

But he seems really logical. I hear something out side. I would like to know what it is. Wants verses needs.
I want to look but I use some logical thought ask myself if I am safer inside where I am.

But, I have a Gun. Rather then putting my faith in my logical thoughts I have faith that I am safe because I have a Gun. As we have seen that can be a bad choice.

merc lover 10-23-2019 09:32 AM

when confronted by an emergency, many of us tend to use our reptilian brain rather than our logical, rational brain. That's the #1 reason the homeowner was shot and killed by the fort worth police officer.

Hasty decisions and crazy emotion will get you killed every time.

barry12345 10-23-2019 11:20 AM

Interesting responses. I strongly suspect with most people or the vast majority. If you hear a noise outside your dwelling. You are probably going to look for what it was or is. You cannot look through solid walls. I cannot rationally think that someone is waiting out there to shoot me.

The other scenario in my mind. If things are really that bad in a neighborhood. Moving out of it should be seriously considered to someplace else.

The other observation was the lady had a gun and an eight year old child in the same residence. This recipe creates more disasters across the country each year in deaths and injuries. Than if there were no guns in households.

What occurred in this instance was more a fluke than anything. Possibly a hundred incidences occurred inside homes with guns since anything remotely like this event occurred before. People will always underrate the abilities of children to get their hands on guns that exist in a household.

Telling Johnny to never touch a gun is about as good as pissing into the wind. Statistics leave no doubt about this. No children in a household is another scenario. Gun privliges should not override common sense. Having a pet dog in a dwelling is safer with kids. We have no issue with security yet our dogs still let us know if there is anything differant within quite a radius of our home. They go off well before we as humans would be aware of it. I think their hearing is still active even when they sleep. To the extent that anything different wakes them instantly.

Diesel911 10-23-2019 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by barry12345 (Post 3969748)
Interesting responses. I strongly suspect with most people or the vast majority. If you hear a noise outside your dwelling. You are probably going to look for what it was or is. You cannot look through solid walls. I cannot rationally think that someone is waiting out there to shoot me.

The other scenario in my mind. If things are really that bad in a neighborhood. Moving out of it should be seriously considered to someplace else.

The other observation was the lady had a gun and an eight year old child in the same residence. This recipe creates more disasters across the country each year in deaths and injuries. Than if there were no guns in households.

What occurred in this instance was more a fluke than anything. Possibly a hundred incidences occurred inside homes with guns since anything remotely like this event occurred before. People will always underrate the abilities of children to get their hands on guns that exist in a household.

Telling Johnny to never touch a gun is about as good as pissing into the wind. Statistics leave no doubt about this. No children in a household is another scenario. Gun privliges should not override common sense. Having a pet dog in a dwelling is safer with kids. We have no issue with security yet our dogs still let us know if there is anything differant within quite a radius of our home. They go off well before we as humans would be aware of it. I think their hearing is still active even when they sleep. To the extent that anything different wakes them instantly.

Barry it was 2 am. Again curiosity/wants verses needs/safety. And She was armed. If someone actually got inside she had a chance to deal with that.
I have already said I think they both bear some responsibility for what happened.

When I was a Security Guard they showed us a short video.

In the video somewhere in the Mideast an back pack is left in a market place. Some one notified an Officer but instead of just the Officer being the only one to look 5 other men decide to also take a look.

When the 6 got close to looking inside the back pack blew up. And that is were the video ended.

barry12345 10-23-2019 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Diesel911 (Post 3969841)
Barry it was 2 am. Again curiosity/wants verses needs/safety. And She was armed. If someone actually got inside she had a chance to deal with that.



I tend to agree with that. Yet at the same time with a child in the house and a gun that is as easily accessable as hers must have been is a real potential problem too. I also wonder why the child was awake that late. Not that it changes anything.


Yet in general it was very seldom any child was ever awake at that hour in our home. Perhaps a noise woke him or a dog. As I mentioned later this occurance in some ways was a fluke.


It almost sounds like the officer lived in a state of fear in his job. There have been other cases where some indication of too high a fear component existed for certain officers to do this job. Whey the officer made some assumption that it was someone other than who should have been in the dwelling raises other questions as well.

merc lover 10-23-2019 09:49 PM

Speaking of fear, in both the Betty Shelby shooting and more recently, the Amber Guyger shooting, both female police officers declared they shot and killed both men because they were "skeered".

Diesel911 10-23-2019 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by barry12345 (Post 3969844)
I tend to agree with that. Yet at the same time with a child in the house and a gun that is as easily accessable as hers must have been is a real potential problem too. I also wonder why the child was awake that late. Not that it changes anything.


Yet in general it was very seldom any child was ever awake at that hour in our home. Perhaps a noise woke him or a dog. As I mentioned later this occurance in some ways was a fluke.


It almost sounds like the officer lived in a state of fear in his job. There have been other cases where some indication of too high a fear component existed for certain officers to do this job. Whey the officer made some assumption that it was someone other than who should have been in the dwelling raises other questions as well.

I think that if I or anyone else shined a flashlight into a window and saw someone pointing a Gun fear would be instantaneous and natural. But I believe COP's are human and some of those that post on this part of the forum don't believe that.

Diesel911 10-23-2019 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by merc lover (Post 3969940)
Speaking of fear, in both the Betty Shelby shooting and more recently, the Amber Guyger shooting, both female police officers declared they shot and killed both men because they were "skeered".

I don't know of the Betty shooting. But, it seems that having a Gun is preventing people from making a choice to back off of the situation.

Amber Guyger could have backed off and Atitania could have done that and I believe the Officer that shot Atitinia could have also backed off.

merc lover 10-23-2019 11:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJd4ThiQjEg

t walgamuth 10-24-2019 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by merc lover (Post 3969940)
Speaking of fear, in both the Betty Shelby shooting and more recently, the Amber Guyger shooting, both female police officers declared they shot and killed both men because they were "skeered".

A common excuse for male officers as well.

merc lover 10-24-2019 09:20 AM

We are all scared of something. That said, a police officer needs to operate cool, calm and collected. Running on fear or "skeered" may cause the police officer to react to a perceived "threat" in a hostile manner.

Reminds me of a scene during the war between the states circa 1862-1865 A.D. The confederates were taking mortar fire from the union troops. Robert E. Lee was watching the battle from atop his famed horse, Traveler. Mortar shells were landing all around him and the horse.

Recognizing the danger, several of his men ran up and shouted, "General Lee, General Lee you have to move away from here now!!!!" Lee ignored them and continued to monitor the battle in a very calm, cool collected demeanor. The horse remained cool as a cucumber as well.

Staying cool, calm and collected while under intense pressure is the best and only way to make sound decisions while in the heat of battle.


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