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Old 07-07-2020, 07:02 PM
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Texas reports 10,000 new COVID19 cases in a day. Florida answers "hold my beer"

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Texas reported more than 10,000 additional Covid-19 cases Tuesday, a record-breaking daily surge.

There were 9,268 people in the state's hospitals with Covid-19 as of Tuesday, another daily record.

The state has also reported a jump in the percentage of total test returning positive since mid-June, now hovering around 13.5% on average as of Monday.
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/07/07/texas-says-new-coronavirus-cases-jumped-by-more-than-10000-for-the-first-time.html

Still waiting for this whole coronavirus thing to "just sort of go away by April" like Trump said. Also wasn't this supposed to be a liberal inner city problem? WTF Texas?

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Old 07-07-2020, 07:13 PM
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More deceit. The death rate is dropping. Increased testing is causing the infected numbers to rise. The hospitals are not overridden with covid. They are catching up from the shutdown. Please stop lying.
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Old 07-07-2020, 08:54 PM
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https://apps.texastribune.org/features/2020/texas-coronavirus-cases-map/?_ga=2.44923043.627770317.1594169414-1636376983.1594169414
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Old 07-08-2020, 01:46 AM
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More deceit. The death rate is dropping. Increased testing is causing the infected numbers to rise. The hospitals are not overridden with covid. They are catching up from the shutdown. Please stop lying.
That is not how testing works. It does not mater how much testing is done, it's about percentages. If you test 10,000 or 10,000,000, 10% is 10% .. if the number of percent positive increases or decreases, it has nothing to do with the number of tests conducted.
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Old 07-08-2020, 07:14 AM
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That is not how testing works. It does not mater how much testing is done, it's about percentages. If you test 10,000 or 10,000,000, 10% is 10% .. if the number of percent positive increases or decreases, it has nothing to do with the number of tests conducted.


So. I test half the population and find 22 million sick and then rest the rest and find 70 million more? That a stable percentage rate?

If it was about percentages then why does the news harp on total numbers of sick not percentage. They also ignore total number of dead from C19. Its more deception.
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Isn't Texas/Arizona/Florida going through the exact same process that New York/New Jersey went through back in April?

I see that infection rates in New York/New Jersey have stabilized and declined - New York is now entering Phase 3 as I recall. From what I've read about epidemiology this is because a substantial portion of the populations in those areas have been infected and recovered and are now at least temporarily immune to the disease due to anti-bodies. This reduces the possibility of spread by having a smaller base people that can be infected and transmit and the virus dies out over time.

A fire analogy would be the fuel for the fire (uninfected people) declines as people are infected and eventually reaches a point where the disease can't effectively propagate and it subsides.

The charts from NY/NJ that show daily infections, hospitalizations, deaths all show a rapid rise followed by an equally rapid decline. Any reason to believe the exact same thing won't happen in Texas/Arizona/Florida? Why is it apparently "unexpected" that cases will rise in the south just as they did in the north?

Why does the media breathlessly report about the runaway infection rates as if they're totally unexpected? Why don't they report the death rates in FL/AZ/TX that are 1/10th what they were in NY/NJ? Isn't that great news?

I'm not an Epidemiologist but isn't this exactly that happens with every virus and infection over time?

I thought the whole purpose of the shut-down/mask wearing was to slow the progression of the disease to prevent the overwhelming of the hospital system to treat patients?

But apparently now the expectation is that this strategy is supposed to eradicate the spread?

Seems to me the people that are reporting this are ignoring the science of epidemiology.
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We live in a four Canadian Maritime province of Canada area that remains isolated. We closed the provincial borders and wiped out the virus cases we had early. So now we live in a bubble.

Most the provinces of Canada and all the states in America. Have not really even started to fight this virus in ways that are known to work. Against all epidemics.

Those being isolation or a vaccine. It is really bad in America as the people may not realize their government and health officials are basically incompetent in dealing with this. So they feed the masses propaganda they seem to just suck up.

There to me is a major financial risk to this unorthodox and unproven approach in dealing with an epidemic. Being used in America. Especially as the year wanes and the conditions become much better for the virus transmission..

There is little if anything in the media about the consequenses of complete failure in dealing with this virus. Especially what it can do to the economy.

So much time has been wasted plus the virus is so widespread now. I do not know where the money will have to come from to deal with it. If what we have done becomes required. In the rest of north America. We cannot escape an economic issue if one comes to pass over others failures.

I now only watch the outside national news about once every two weeks. It is far too obvious that the blind are leading the blind to really stomach. Plus what amounts to little more than propaganda. Our officials think that a development of a workable vaccine for this is far from certain as well. We remain currently a fifty thousand square mile area that is pretty well sealed up with no active virus cases. Plus a regional government that are willing to do whatever is required to keep it the same.

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Old 07-08-2020, 11:29 AM
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Isn't Texas/Arizona/Florida going through the exact same process that New York/New Jersey went through back in April?

I see that infection rates in New York/New Jersey have stabilized and declined - New York is now entering Phase 3 as I recall. From what I've read about epidemiology this is because a substantial portion of the populations in those areas have been infected and recovered and are now at least temporarily immune to the disease due to anti-bodies. This reduces the possibility of spread by having a smaller base people that can be infected and transmit and the virus dies out over time.

A fire analogy would be the fuel for the fire (uninfected people) declines as people are infected and eventually reaches a point where the disease can't effectively propagate and it subsides.

The charts from NY/NJ that show daily infections, hospitalizations, deaths all show a rapid rise followed by an equally rapid decline. Any reason to believe the exact same thing won't happen in Texas/Arizona/Florida? Why is it apparently "unexpected" that cases will rise in the south just as they did in the north?

Why does the media breathlessly report about the runaway infection rates as if they're totally unexpected? Why don't they report the death rates in FL/AZ/TX that are 1/10th what they were in NY/NJ? Isn't that great news?

I'm not an Epidemiologist but isn't this exactly that happens with every virus and infection over time?

I thought the whole purpose of the shut-down/mask wearing was to slow the progression of the disease to prevent the overwhelming of the hospital system to treat patients?

But apparently now the expectation is that this strategy is supposed to eradicate the spread?

Seems to me the people that are reporting this are ignoring the science of epidemiology.


You are basically right. Other than that approach usually gets a very heavy second wave. When seasonal conditions for the virus become optimal later.

We are really concerned about any epidemics in this region. As the Spanish flu nearly wiped the area out in 1918.

Combined with the munition ship explosion in Halifax harbor in the same time frame. I am unsure if it remains the largest non nuclear explosion known to man.
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Old 07-08-2020, 04:13 PM
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More deceit. The death rate is dropping. Increased testing is causing the infected numbers to rise. The hospitals are not overridden with covid. They are catching up from the shutdown. Please stop lying.
The coronavirus is not binary in its impact on the infected. It's not just live/die. It's a little more like live/live with damaged health/die. Deaths are not the sole metric in determining the personal damage the virus is inflicting on our country.
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Old 07-08-2020, 06:24 PM
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The coronavirus is not binary in its impact on the infected. It's not just live/die. It's a little more like live/live with damaged health/die. Deaths are not the sole metric in determining the personal damage the virus is inflicting on our country.


This is all political. The deaths are dropping, the testing will plateau.


You guys will drop this like Blasey Ford when the election is over.
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This is all political. The deaths are dropping, the testing will plateau.


You guys will drop this like Blasey Ford when the election is over.
Presuming we’re still alive...

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There he goes again, a man who ignores every word of the bible and what Jesus said .

Always it is so that those who proclaim the loudest to be " !CHRISTIAN!" never show love, empathy, consideration or compassion for their fellow men .

Odd, isn't it? .

Sad too .

Maybe like mike pence, he'll just "pray it away" when he or his family gets covid -19 .
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There he goes again, a man who ignores every word of the bible and what Jesus said .



Always it is so that those who proclaim the loudest to be " !CHRISTIAN!" never show love, empathy, consideration or compassion for their fellow men .



Odd, isn't it? .



Sad too .



Maybe like mike pence, he'll just "pray it away" when he or his family gets covid -19 .


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Old 07-11-2020, 02:59 PM
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Our plan is no second wave if we can manage to keep the virus at bay from our closed off area. If we cannot it should be like the first wave.

We are not that smart regionally. It in hindsight was just good fortune that we isolated our provincial borders early. Plus wiped out our early cases while still manageable.

Inside our province we dealt with about fifteen hundred cases. The isolated province as well next to us less than 150. Just over that sealed border thousands of new cases per day for weeks.

Our federal government appeared to have some issues with what we did initially. They tried the freedom and right to travel was obstructed. We basically said nuts and closed up anyways.

Typically they never describe what we have accomplished. Yet are all too aware of the results. We also get even tougher as a necessity on outsiders as time moves along.

What we have learned so far from the experience is one last case is one too many. You really have to create crash teams to deal with this.

There also is a residual problem. Nobody seems to have the numbers. Yet a percentage that get this seem to have some issues remaining long after they are over it. Since the intensity of them does not fall off with some time they may be permanent.

I only have one thing that I have really given a lot of thought to. This virus is far too easily transmitted in weather conditions that are not favorable. Next fall and winter could be bad when conditions improve for the transmission of it.

This virus remains tricky in that there are so few things that are pretty much certain. I am not saying it may just wane with time that is the largest current hope. What I believe instead is that remains just a gamble at this time.

Our Canadian government claims they have spent about 380 billion on the problem so far federally. Plus what the provinces have spent. Yet we only have a total population of less than 40 million.

Our expected federal deficit was targeted at 38 billion for this year before the virus. We expect higher taxes and inflation as a result. What the final bill will be is any ones guess.

If a heavy tax is not applied to the very wealthy corporations in north America. I just do not know how the costs of this can be handled otherwise. They cannot tax to the extent it reduces consumer consumption. We believe we will also feel the economic damage in our virus free area.

Locally people are buying available houses and property at a rate I have never seen before. If we had a realtor post a sign on the front lawn. A sold sticker would be on it before the day was over. This leads me to suspect people are paying the asking price. I have not yet figured out who the buyers are though.

A place that has a blind access from their property that cannot be fixed. Right onto a two lane highway on the way to the cottage. You could not pay me to live there.

A for sale sign went up the other day and again it sold the same day. I mentioned this to the wife and it too amazed her. When we drive around that corner we habitually slow down to about 20mph.

Strangers would not have a clue that driveway exists and there are no warning signs it does. Other than the speed limit drops to 30 mph along there.

At the same time you know many people ignore speed limits. Leading me to suspect people are buying sometimes without even seeing the properties. You have to own a house here now to get in and the available supply is limited.

You also must prove you have sold your primary residence where you are from. My guess since places are not that expensive here. Wealthy older people may be hedging their bets. The majority can be put back up on the market if things cool down in their areas they are currently in. I am going to talk to the local realtors myself sometime this upcoming week.

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Old 07-11-2020, 08:37 PM
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Florida reports 10,360 new infections, 18,000 hospitalized statewide

https://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/politics/2020/07/11/coronavirus-florida-infections-deaths-continue-rise/5420133002/

But hey Disney world reopened. Never underestimate Florida's ability to out stupid anyone.

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