Augusta National is Sexist!! - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Cap'n Carageous · #1 09-06-2002, 10:35 AM

By taking the stand that women will not be asked to join the elite golf club, Chairman Hootie Johnson is creating a tempest with over 100 women's groups. He has tried to dodge certain pressure on advertisers by announcing that the club will pay for next years Masters by itself. Those members have some deep pockets! However, the women's groups have other organizations and businesses that they can pressure. I think that all women should stand behind these groups and initiate an immediate BOYCOTT of everything associated with the game of golf. That's right, they should stop buying golf equipment and apparel. They should close their memberships at their Country Clubs and even stop watching it on TV!!

Heck, they're just in the way out on the course anyway!! Give the game back to us MEN!! :

jsmith · #2 09-06-2002, 11:29 AM

well, you know what the letters in the word GOLF originally stood for right?

BENZ-LGB · #3 09-06-2002, 11:53 AM

...I never understood what the big deal about golf was anyway. Where is the sport in hitting a little white ball, that sits, without moving, on a little piece of wood? Why does the gallery have to sit, quietly, while golfers address the ball in the kind of reverential silence usually reserved for church (or the library).

If you ask me, golf is not worthy of being called a sport....

Do you think that hitting a golf ball is tough? Try hitting a fastball coming at you at a screaming 90 mph. Try hitting that fastball with thousands of fans yelling at you to strike out.

Do you think that moving a defenseless little dimpled ball around a manicured lawn is hard? Try dribbling a basketball down the lane and sinking a lay-up with big guys all around you trying to stomp you into the ground.

Do you think that sinking a putt is hard work? Try getting off a forward pass when 4 or 5 maniacal and HUGE linemen are chasing you around the backfield.

Do you think that golf requires concentration and endurance? Try riding the Tour de France (or just try riding a century ride).

Look, I've watched one daughter compete in ice skating tournaments where she had to glide and turn on the ice on just one leg or jump in the air and make a perfect landing on ice and while wearing dangerously sharp blades. That's a real sport.

I've seen my other daughter riding horses and making a huge (and not all too bright ) beast jump over barriers and turn on a dime. That's a real sport.

I have watched my youngest daughter nail a perfect spike (volleyball) or sink a perfect layup while opponents screamed in her face (and she never lost her concentration). Those are real sports!

As far as I am concerned our nation will be far more productive if all the time and money wasted out on the greens was put to better use.

Just my own two-cents worth. Now let the flaming begin (that's a real sport too

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Cap'n Carageous · #4 09-06-2002, 12:03 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Cap'n Carageous
]BOYCOTT of everything associated with the game of golf.

I never said it was a sport, but if you're standing over a six foot putt that means the difference of a half million dollars it's a hell of GAME.

:p

Crowe · #5 09-06-2002, 04:37 PM

Sport or Game, either way it is a difficult skill to prefect. Since this is a Mercedes-Benz forum I would also expect that a larger percentage of MBZ owners play the "sport" vs the general population. Remember that Augusta National is a very exclusive private club which was started back during the Great Depression primarily by a small group of New York businessmen. As a male golfer in Georgia, I would love to be a member also, but it is not likely since even Bill Gates is not a member.

#6 09-06-2002, 08:37 PM

To all of the feminazi womens groups, I say help reduce noise pollution and take a long walk off of a short pier.

These golf clubs are privately owned. As private businesses, they have the right to dictate who they want in their clubs. If the feminazies don't like it, well, too damn bad. They can go form their own womens only groups. You won't hear any men griping to get into 'em.

The best tee times are going to be reserved for their highest revenue generating customers. Since the game is still very male dominated, they are going to get the choice times. If the tide ever changes, and women become the majority of the players, then they will be given the choice times.

Now, I don't play golf, and have no use for chasing a little white ball all over the place. It still irks me to see these feminazi groups raising hell over things that are frankly none of their buisness.

#7 09-07-2002, 01:22 PM

It's tasteless, but since these are private establishments, Mr. Johnson can tell women's groups "f*** y'all" and have things be perfectly legal. In bad taste, but legal.

OTOH, if these women's groups want to attempt to run Augusta into the ground with a combination of publicity/lobbying, more power to them. That's perfectly legal too.

And what's wrong with women viciously taking up a cause, anyway? When African-Americans did that, it was called the Civil Rights movement.

-Sam

Kuan · #8 09-07-2002, 02:40 PM

Most private clubs I've been to or have worked in are pretty sexist and racist. One golf club did not admit black members until the 90's. One of them had a men's lounge. You got it, men only, no women (kinda like my room when I was a kid). One club had a policy of not hiring any white people to work in their kitchens or as servers. Pretty sick if you ask me.

Kuan

mikemover · #9 09-07-2002, 06:22 PM

I'm with BENZ-LGB, I have absolutely no use for golf. Watching a tree photosynthesize would be more exciting.

Racist, sexist, elitist, snooty, silly, whatever you want to call it, they are a PRIVATE institution and can have whatever membership policies they want. If you don't like it, don't whine about it and try to force them to change...start your own. I wouldn't want to join anyway...It's boring, and the clothes are ridiculous. I'd never pass the dress code.

Mike

pentoman · #10 09-07-2002, 07:48 PM

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Originally posted by mikemover
I'm with BENZ-LGB, I have absolutely no use for golf. Watching a tree photosynthesize would be more exciting.

lol... yes it is a silly sport isn't it, kinda seems to the fat businessmen more about flashing your cash in the club car park, though of course not to everyone.

Oh, apologies to Ashman, who I know actually goes to the golf club to get his car driven into by other members

later!

#11 09-08-2002, 05:10 PM

Lots of you seem to think PRIVATE means outside the law. I am not so certain that is actually the case, but there may be some maneuvering room within the laws of Federal and state jurisdiction.

Except for the ability to continue nearsited behavior, what are the reasons for exclusions of race, gender, ethnicity, and so on? I am more interested in learning about unknown ( to me ) segments of humanity than in shielding myuself from them. Augusta is another remnant of the GOB network that brought us innumerable insults to humanity, and incidentally, golf is "flog" spelled backwards. The original ( legend) is that the king of England could not be known to play a game called "Flog" since that was a decreed form of punishment at the time. So just as "flutterbies" became "butterflies," "flog" became "golf."

Tradition is another name for obstinacy or repression.

#12 09-08-2002, 11:30 PM

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One club had a policy of not hiring any white people to work in their kitchens or as servers.

I really don't care who on this site agrees with this, Mercedes owner or not. I thought this mentality went out in the mid 1900's if not the 1800's. I play golf and DO NOT stand for this mentality. I also will walk away from a group of guys when they begin talking about women in general in a derogatory and sexist manner. I didn't like it when I was an adolescent and don't care for it now, really!!

#13 09-09-2002, 09:52 AM

I guess it's easier to get people going on social issues than it is to get answers to car questions.....

The way to obsolesce (sp?) behavior is to find positive reasons to make a current behavior less attractive than current behavior. Beating miscreants just makes them more careful about being caught. What are the "positives" in store for Augusta should they alter their membership or participation rules? If they already have a waiting list for membership and their course has reached saturation play density, what is their reason to change? These are primarily economic people - business people - so give them economic reasons to change.

Who among the members and sponsors involved with this organization would make more money and/or improve their social status by a change to the membership policy? For instance, this discussion is about race and gender as separates, while ignoring religion, ethnicity, and language. They are all part of the common xenophobic attitude and illusions which we must find ways to dissolve.

When my son-in-law waits outside when his wife goes to the emergency room, he does so because she (white) gets better service than when he ( non-white) is standing beside her. This problem is a more important example of our national attitudes than who gets to play at Augusta, because Augusta is about economic excess, something every MB owner must at some level resolve to even drive one. Ever see a MB ad campaign featuring non-whites? Ever see one featuring handicapped or "ugly" beings?

Cap'n Carageous · #14 09-09-2002, 11:28 AM

Back when Dan Quayle was Vice President, there was a story circulating about him calling Augusta National. It happened that he was gonna be in Augusta on a campaign stop. He called A.N. and stated that he would like to play a round there. The pro shop stated that he would be more than welcome and which member would he be playing with. When he said he didn't know any members the pro shop said "Sorry you cannot play here except as a member or guest". Sorry, but that's the rules. I'll bet that dude hung up the phone and laughed!

The National is an EXCLUSIVE club that can do whatever it wants. You are infringing on personal freedom when you "make" someone admit members that are purposely excluded. I don't recall them asking me to join so am I upset? Nope, I don't belong there.

Cap'n Carageous · #15 09-09-2002, 01:27 PM

I think it was W.C Fields who said " I wouldn't want to be a member of any club that would have me as a member:p
FWIW.. Augusta has never said women were prohibited. They just have never asked one to join. Women can play there as long as they are with a member, just like everyone else. All Hootie said was that if they have a woman member, it will be their decision and not one made at the point of a bayonet!! I'm about sick of stupid liberals who think they can force their opinions on everyone else. This is the 21th century but class distinction has always existed and will continue. Learn to deal with it. If you're not welcome somewhere then you don't belong there.