I agree. But I'm almost certain that you and several other right wing members agreed with Bush using a flag draped fireman in his campaign ad.
Is this any less disrespectful to the families or is it the highest form of hypocrisy (on Bush's part)?

No difference between pictures of caskets of a soldier slain in battle and a picture of the president doing his job?

Please explain why you think the two are the same.

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Still no comment from Lou Zehr?

You seem so locked into this "us and them" mentality -- where's the love, brother? :p

The process of warfare is much more palatable when the results are either washed clean or just hidden from view. N’est pas?

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How do you equate a picture of a dead fireman with the president doing his job? If a picture of a dead rescue worker (slain in battle as well) can be used to advance a political agenda on the right why can't pictures of dead soldiers be viewed as well.
For the record I am against both. The argument used by Bush is that anonymous caskets of soldiers would hurt the families. How does showing the dead body of a fireman not hurt the families of the 343 firefighters killed on 9/11?
Again, how is this not hypocrisy?

I don't know what you are talking about. The name I'm using is the only name I have ever used on this forum.
Why do you doubt it? Can you back up your claim with any evidence? Or is it a typical Bush Administration tactic of attacking anyone that doesn't agree with them?

Hey Virginia,
There is no Santa Claus. How do you know what's in my mind? I don't care if you call me a liberal because I am on certain issues, like the fact the government has no business legislating morality, or religion, or what I can do to my body but I am certainly not a liberal when it comes to fiscal responsibility, ie: I pay my bills. So Bush has done such a great job that we have a national debt of 7 Trillion Dollars and the deficit has gone up by 1 Trillion Dollars under him. We're also down 2 million jobs since he took office, but of course that's not Bushes fault. At least Clinton had a plan that actually had us paying off the national debt, created a budget surplus 3 years in a row for the first time since Harry Truman (remember him?).
Why in a government with a Republican majority in the House, Senate and Executive branch are we not able to bring government spending under control? No excuses accepted.
As to using images of fallen soldiers, I am against it. However those soldiers died defending freedom of the press, remember that quaint document called the CONSTITUTION. As to defaming their honor you should look inward as you are the one advocating censorship, going against the oath to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution that each of those soldiers took. Shame on you.
As to my actual political beliefs. I am a Libertarian. The government has no right to be in my bedroom or my boardroom as long as I'm obeying the law, which puts me closer to a pure conservative than you.
Why do so called "conservatives" feel the need to use the government to jam their morality down our throats? Take school prayer for example. I'm sure you support it, even though there is crystal clear language separating church and state. No one is preventing you or anyone you know from praying. Why don't you take some of that personal responsibility that I'm sure you advocate and have your kid pray over his cornflakes if you feel it is so essential that he do it in the morning. Why do the schools have to take the place of parents? Sounds like a liberal idea to me.
How about abortion? If you don't support it don't have one! The church can't even get it's own followers not to do it so they're trying to have the government legislate what they can't do.
The list is endless, but the thing I detest the most is HYPOCRISY.
Family values? How many of our politicians, both Republican and Democrat have been divorced? Cheated on their spouses? Had black babies out of wedlock while arguing for purity of the races? Thanks, Strom! Henry Hyde's affair that destroyed another family, a "youthful indiscretion" at the age of 40? Clinton isn't the only one. I trust me more then any of these nitwits or anyone that blindly follows them.

Yeah, it's me, John Ashcroft. You caught me.
Actually I apologize if I mischaracterized you as a right wing member. I have been reading the forum for several month's and the position's you've taken lead me to believe you're leaning to the right.
But I'm open to being corected as my mind hasn't snapped shut, yet! LOL

I missed the political advert with the dead firemen. I think using dead folks for political purposes, even if the families agree with it, is (well...) "dead" wrong.

In truth, neither party spends much time, money, or effort down here in southern flyover country. I've seen a couple from Repos, Demos and Moveon.org. The Repo and Demo adverts were pretty tame while the Moveon.org advert, which I only saw once, was one of those innuendo pieces that are often effective.

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You may seem to have a point, but I know plenty of real soldiers that want to make people feel the same fear, and have to know the same feelings they had when they saw dead children for the first time. Your right – nobody’s a “Peacenik” until they get back. Not that many really do get back, they don’t sit in control rooms, fire missiles from a ships or airplanes, and none, nada, zip zero, none of them were in the Texas Air Guard. Some of these few serve our government now, but many became social outcasts, homeless drug addicted garbage. Kerry’s now being made a mockery of for youthful indiscretion, and maybe embellishing the truth some, in order to make a point. In my mind those pictures of him walking with a rifle and being close enough to be hit by shrapnel, no matter how minor, gives him a right that Bush does not have. Showing the pictures of the fallen is like giving them a salute. Keeping the public sanitized in any way, when we’re killing and being killed is disrespectful of the young people being asked to live with their memories.

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Hey Virginia,
you're the best argument against "so called conservatives" I can make. Where did you get your degree, or did you even graduate?
Aside from the 20 or so misspellings and grammatical errors in your posts, you completely missed my points and had to resort to name calling. Prayer isn't against the law anywhere, however the Constitution is explicit in separating church and state. As to Clinton turning the White House into a whore house, so what? I condemned both parties equally. However, you can only reply by insulting liberals and railing against Clinton. Guess what? He's gone! Not president anymore! Get over it!
We could go back and forth all day but I'd prefer to rationally argue my points with the more literate and articulate members of the forum. OOPS, Sorry to use such big words, I meant, and I'll say this real slow so you understand. I want to discuss big matters with people that actually have a point of view that makes sense.
Ciao baby!

Let's see -- what started as a troll post has now degenerated into this. Why is anyone posting in this idiotic thread anyways? Let's just move on rather than provide fodder for the troll that originated this thread. Vronsky would be proud.......

Dude you don’t even have a clue about what I’m talking about. Calling that training exercise in the early 90’s a War is my point. The kid next place over is ret. Army and a Gulf Vet. No disrespect, but when he talks about how tuff it was, he means is was almost 125deg. for days on end. There is no comparison to what the Guard and Reserves are today, and what went down in Nam.

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What belongs in your mind is of course, your business.

But the notion that somebody has earned a right to criticize this or that gov policy by virtue of "having been there" whil others should be silent is not a very good use of citizenship.

Everybody, from drug addict to saint who is a citizen has exactly equal right to criticize the gov. Kerry wants to toss ribbons, medals, Clinton, and Bush over some wall, fine with me. This argument about who served more honorably 30-odd years ago is beyond trivial. Who gives a rat's ass what barely-adult versions of the men we see before us did? This is even more bizarre than arguing over Clinton's latest B-J.

Why not look at the Bush vision and record in office and look at the Kerry vision and record in office and decide which you think is more reflective of your own values and ambitions?

Psssst, I heard that XXXX got drunk while a Freshman at YYYY university. Now he thinks he can run the AA?

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