I never said that clinton was not bright....and I think a lot of people underestimate GWB because he sometimes mis-speaks, but there is a lot more to GWB than most of his critics will give credit for.

I also know that he is not a conservative. He's closer than his father was, but he'll never be Ronald Reagan. I also believe that he's not implemented everything willy nilly because he doesn't want to repeat his fathers mistakes.

No, GWB is far from a RR conservative, but he's the best chance we have today of getting rid of a lot of liberal garbage.

So, again, I ask, who else can a conservative vote for?

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John Kerry

I have to interject here: Kerry isnt as liberal as one might think?


He is the only man to vote more left of Teddy "Intern Drowning" Kennedy. Hell of a distinciton, isnt it?


I will say this for the Democrats: They do seem to be more cunning. Only Dem's can twist the truth and weasel their way out of responsibility so easily. Repubs usually face up to the truth. They dont hire spindoctors.

Oh, you want examples:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman..."
"It depends on what your definition of "is" is, now doesnt it?"
"I voted for it before I voted against it."
"They weren't my medals that I threw over that fence."

Etc. etc. etc...

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You could vote LP.


I cant stand the thought of advocating Bush because he knowingly signs unConstitutional bills into law (CRFA), he parrots Ted Kennedy's school bills, supports the AWB'94, and do the words "Patriot Act" and "John Ashcroft" mean anything to you?


The ONLY way I will vote for Dubbya is if he and sKerry are within the margin of error in the polls, and then grudgingly whilst holding my nose and bathing vigorusly afterwards. Otherwise, I will vote my conscience like the Founding Fathers intended.

If you want a sure thing, go to a horse race.

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As a conservative, I have to disagree with the major premise of this argument. It is assumed that giving aid to people is the way we help them and advance society.
I disagree. People tend to devalue what is given them. They appreciate what they earn. That applies to almost everything, education, housing, etc.
Government does citizens no favor by giving them stuff. Government helps most whan it gets out of the way. Not to go to extremes, here. The public good still requires that we do not destroy our environment.
What has been called the " greatest generation" did not have stuff given to them. They grew up in the depression, yet somehow managed without a lot of government help, to get thru. Yes, I know about WPA, etc. but those programs were mere drops in the bucket, compared with what is routinely given away today.
In some countries, poor people starve. In our counrty poor people are obeese. In some countries, poor peole are barefoot; in ours some poor people wear $200 sneakers. The list could go on, but the point is that we have the richest "poor" peole in the world. They are poor in spirit, because they have lost the will to do for themselves. We have done them scant favors by our "help".

Man, I agree with that.

One thing I've learned is that if you're a Harvard MBA, you should be retard in either Texas or Mississippi.

Oh yeah? Sorely underestimating the cost of the health care reform? Purposely releasing an awful budget that didn't even account for war costs? Claiming that they didn't know how much the war would cost until it was voted on? Deliberately telling New Mexico that if elected, Bush wouldn't send nuclear waste to their state and then doing exactly the opposite once he was in office? Real honest bunch of "folks" there. What people don't like about democrats is that they are honest and face up to the reality- that you can't have your cake, a huge tax cut, and eat it to, wage that war.

I disagree. The government is in the most convenient position to help people. The problem with previous liberal social welfare is that it just gave money and benefits away without expecting things in return. Ever since PRWORA was passed in 1996, the welfare roles have decreased, the poor have increased their work levels (most notably, single mothers), and unwed pregnancy rates have decreased. All this because the government threatened that it would only offer aid for something in return (PRWORA offers more generous benefits in exchange for a full time work requirement within 5 years of receiving benefits). All these results have been documented by the political science journal The Public Interest which is a conservative social policy publication. So, government, in all cases, should not withhold social benefits.

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This forum is full of documented lie after lie of Bush administration officials on Iraq, and the best you can do to counter that is a bunch of old anti-Clinton stuff, old garbage about Kerry's actvities 30 yrs ago and a talk radio slogan? If this is the best you guys can do the Dems are a on the way to kicking you guys out.

Well he got into Yale with below avg SAT's (for Yale admissions) don't know what his HS GPA was. Got into Harvard B School after scoring a C avg at Yale with no buisness exp.

Now I will admit I don't sit on the admissions board for Harvard but the people I have know that went to a good B school (and that is just a handful) did a whole lot better in undergrad than a C avg.

Mistakes on bad info? Oh, pardon me, instead of liar, I should have said "incompetent chump".

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I'm not too sure about the black helicopter.

I was refering to the current Prez but considering Prescott Bush was a Yale Trustee GHW Bush probably didn't have his application scrutinized too heavily.

I had lunch with an acedemic type last week with a strong ultra liberal background last week and he said that he agree's with everything bad the media is pinning on Bush except for one thing.

He said the real idiots are the ones misjudging dubyas intelligence based on language skills alone, he said a guy can't become President of the USA on money and brains alone and used Perot as an example.


The phrase dumb like a fox comes to mind.

As for Yale admission give me a break, Ivy league schools are jam packed with big money getting in on influence alone is poppy cock. I recently informed a forum member why Harvard rejected me

- as quoted from MM's link above.


Whaaaaaaa? Seems to be a stretch to blame defeat in Vietnam on Bill Clinton.

And just how will the government get the money for social benefits? Through taxes. I dont want to involuntarily pay for a handout when I can donate to a charity and let someone get a 'hand up.'

Dont think its involuntary? Try not paying your taxes and see if men with guns show up. Its pretty involuntary to me...


Wealth Redistribution: One more reason the Democrats will never winover a conservative.

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