1980 300CD transmission problems

[jpauld]

I bought a 1980CD several weeks ago with 250K miles. The car had all factory scheduled maintenance through 125K. (I haven't yet sorted out all the other service records I have) Car shifted great on test drive and on drive home (several days later).

I then took it to a local european engine shop for a once over. The fellows there seemed honest and straightforward and after checking the car over including a compression check (385-400 on all five) recommended a modest amount of repairs: rear brakes, exhaust hangers, new fuel lines (because I want to run biodiesel) and a "transmission service" because the fluid looked old and discolored. The transmission service included: drain the fluid, check the pan for debris, change the filter and replace the fluid.

When I picked up the car and drove home via the grocery store - 15 miles- I noticed that the transmission seemed to be "slipping" a bit when shifting especially between 2nd and 3rd and also if I kicked down the throttle. I took the car back to the shop the next day and they checked the fluid level - said it was OK and asked to have the car for the day. They could not offer any explanation but after "talking to their transmission guy" adjusted the modulator by "two clicks." I cannot tell if the two clicks made any difference but the tranny still "slips" or "flares" as described above.

I then took the car to a transmission shop where the guy who owned the shop told me that he used to work for MB, owns a MB and knew how to do the complex adjustments.

He called me a few hours later and told me the transmission is "tired out" that he could not improve it with adjustments and that a rebuild or remanufactured would cost me at least $2,500-$3,000 for parts and labor. He then told me that often changing old transmission fluid results in immediate damage to seals and such because of the higher acidity of the new fluid and that he wasn't going to charge me because his diagnosis was based on a quick test drive. Lame.

Also, I have been reading a bunch of threads about vacuum issues so I will throw in the tidbits that the climate control doesn't work except to blow hot air on defrost (hi, lo and bilevel seem to provide hot air but I haven't really spent much time with them on due to summertime temps) and the passenger door lock opens when driver's door lock opens but does not close when driver's lock closes - I have to manually lock passenger door.

Questions:
1. Can changing old fluid to new cause instant damage? Sounds fishy to me.
2. Vacuum Problem?
3. Kickdown switch?
4. Modulator?
5. CC and door lock related to the tranny problem?

FYI: I paid $2,500 for car and drive about 60 miles/week so I am not all that motivated to drop another $2,500 for a new tranny.

Thanks for any/all advice, tips or suggestions. If you folks think it is vacuum related any suggestions on where to start looking for leaks etc would be great. I will go get a vacuum gauge and start sleuthing. I have a moderate amount of experience with gas engines but zip with diesel & MB.

Paul

[bwheitman]

The question is, Does the transmission slip or just shift funny? The diesel engine cars have a very complicated vacuum system that controls the modulator to shift the tranny. Not very many people can get these right. Also it will not shift properly when cold, it will stay in a lower gear until warmed up, I had a 280C that didn't want to shift up into 3rd until the engine was warm, but remember to be very gentle with the car when it is cold, don't rev it out trying to warm it up faster, that is not good for a diesel. If it is a shifting problem then it is adjustment required, if it is slipping, it either needs fluid or it is fried, and I have heard sometimes when you change fluid after it has been in there awhile can cause the debris to loosen and mess up the tranny, but that takes awhile, it is unlikely it would just start slipping immediatly after a fluid change, that would take awhile. Report back and let me know it you have shifing or slipping problems. Good luck!
By the way that 300CD is a great car.
Brian

[gs sparhawk]

Since the tranny requires a steady and sufficient vacuum to operate correctrly, the issue with the door locks and the cc (which draw vacuum off the same master supply) may hint that the whole vacuum system is currently not able to manage the needs of the various components. A big leak somewhere means that everything is starving. Need to find the leak. Isn't it sucky that everything goes sour when a two-bit piece of plastic tubing breaks. What genious thought to make everything including the cruise dependant on the total integrity of the whole tubing system--especially when they go everywhere and mostly inacessible? Now that I've got my laziness tamed and committed to dive into the mess, I can't get the center console apart to get to the CC stuff (80 CD) I took the seats out, side panels off radio out, wood panels off---and still can't find the fasteners to remove or the tricks to get to the plumbing.
Go figure.

[rhodes2010]

Lots of threads on 2-3 shift problems.
Please study these and see if the K1 spring kit might solve your problem.
$15.00 or so for the spring kit from Fastlane (forum sponsor).
Kit is put in during trans fluid change.


http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=144934&highlight=kit