Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Tech Help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-09-2006, 06:48 PM
biker77bill's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, Oh
Posts: 6
107 HVAC woes

I have an 80 450 SL.
Can anyone tell me why my HVAC shuts down when I step on the gas. In every button position except defrost, the blower shuts off, even under light acceleration. Cruising everything works fine.
I thought it might be caused from a leak in the vaccuum reservoir, but I performed a leak test and it holds vaccuum fine.

I'm Lost

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-09-2006, 06:57 PM
Strife's Avatar
General Purpose Geek
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: KY USA
Posts: 2,238
Bizzare as this sounds, jiggle the key when this happens. It can be caused by the ignition switch. Do you have a lot of junk on your keychain?
__________________
86 560SL
With homebrew first gear start!
85 380SL
Daily Driver Project

http://juliepalooza.8m.com/sl/mercedes.htm
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-10-2006, 12:52 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Battle Ground, WA
Posts: 576
Hi there,
You have a vacuum leak in the heater controls or air flap diaphragms. on the 76 - 80 ACII system there is a vacuum switch that controls the blower that requires a certain amount of vacuum to operate. The idea was that the heater wouldn't start until the engine water temp rose to a certain point so it wouldn't blow cold air in the winter. The defrost position bypasses the vacuum switch to allow defrost immediately. I am on a business trip, so don't have my factory manual at hand, but what you need to do is start checking the air flap diaphragms for a leak. The ACII system will not tolerate any leaks. You can get one of the CD manuals, look in the ACII system and find some troubleshooting procedures for the system. I have a '79 that had a similar problem, so I speak from experience - you will need a Mity-vac or equivalent to locate the leak, it only takes a very small leak to kill the system! You can also do a search on "ACII" for many threads on this troublesome system, originally designed by Chrysler Corp for their 1970 Imperials.
__________________
Richard Wooldridge
'01 ML320
'82 300D 4.3L V6/T700R4 conversion
'82 380SL, '86 560SL engine/trans. installed
'79 450SL, digital servo update
'75 280C
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 05-10-2006, 07:07 AM
biker77bill's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, Oh
Posts: 6
No I only have the ignition key, no other keys or key chain.

Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 05-10-2006, 10:37 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Battle Ground, WA
Posts: 576
Hi again,
Sorry Strife, this one isn't the ignition switch problem. If it were it would fail in the defrost position as well as any of the other positions. Vacuum switch #29 or #30, (going from memory here) is the one that stops the blower from running if the vacuum is low. All the ACII climate control systems behave like this if there's a leak in a vacuum pod. The leaks can be very difficult to find. Another (slight) possibility is that the one way valve that feeds the AC vacuum system is defective, allowing vacuum to go away when the throttle is pressed. Usually the vacuum reservoir will hold the vacuum in a good system, but if the one-way valve is leaking in the reverse direction it could allow vacuum to go away. The vacuum pushbutton control has very small orifices, on the order of .040 or so, so it won't take much of a leak at all in a vacuum diaphragm to cause a failure. Besides the diaphragms, the vacuum switches themselves can leak and cause this failure. The connections to the servo unit can also leak and cause the failure. In short, ANY vacuum leak will cause this failure, the system must be tight.
There is a digital servo upgrade kit available for when your servo fails that is a good investment if you are going to keep the car. Look at the top of the SL forum main window for their advertisement.
__________________
Richard Wooldridge
'01 ML320
'82 300D 4.3L V6/T700R4 conversion
'82 380SL, '86 560SL engine/trans. installed
'79 450SL, digital servo update
'75 280C
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 05-11-2006, 04:15 PM
biker77bill's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, Oh
Posts: 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Wooldridge
Hi again,
Sorry Strife, this one isn't the ignition switch problem. If it were it would fail in the defrost position as well as any of the other positions. Vacuum switch #29 or #30, (going from memory here) is the one that stops the blower from running if the vacuum is low. All the ACII climate control systems behave like this if there's a leak in a vacuum pod. The leaks can be very difficult to find. Another (slight) possibility is that the one way valve that feeds the AC vacuum system is defective, allowing vacuum to go away when the throttle is pressed. Usually the vacuum reservoir will hold the vacuum in a good system, but if the one-way valve is leaking in the reverse direction it could allow vacuum to go away. The vacuum pushbutton control has very small orifices, on the order of .040 or so, so it won't take much of a leak at all in a vacuum diaphragm to cause a failure. Besides the diaphragms, the vacuum switches themselves can leak and cause this failure. The connections to the servo unit can also leak and cause the failure. In short, ANY vacuum leak will cause this failure, the system must be tight.
There is a digital servo upgrade kit available for when your servo fails that is a good investment if you are going to keep the car. Look at the top of the SL forum main window for their advertisement.
Thanks I'll look for the leak
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 05-11-2006, 04:17 PM
biker77bill's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Cincinnati, Oh
Posts: 6
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Wooldridge
Hi there,
You have a vacuum leak in the heater controls or air flap diaphragms. on the 76 - 80 ACII system there is a vacuum switch that controls the blower that requires a certain amount of vacuum to operate. The idea was that the heater wouldn't start until the engine water temp rose to a certain point so it wouldn't blow cold air in the winter. The defrost position bypasses the vacuum switch to allow defrost immediately. I am on a business trip, so don't have my factory manual at hand, but what you need to do is start checking the air flap diaphragms for a leak. The ACII system will not tolerate any leaks. You can get one of the CD manuals, look in the ACII system and find some troubleshooting procedures for the system. I have a '79 that had a similar problem, so I speak from experience - you will need a Mity-vac or equivalent to locate the leak, it only takes a very small leak to kill the system! You can also do a search on "ACII" for many threads on this troublesome system, originally designed by Chrysler Corp for their 1970 Imperials.

I have the cd manual to do the checks, I had no idea the system is so sensitive. I WILL find the leak. Thank you for your help
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 05-26-2006, 11:09 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 1
mercedes 1975 450sl or 107 sl vacuum troubleshoot and blower

i have a 75 450 sl , the blower stopped working, saw many things posted on vacuum repair, does anyone have a simple way for a modest mechanic, to check vacuum sources, ie where to start, get the parts etc. for ac and door locks. i have a mighty vac tester
also blower quit working, i am trying to rebuild. does anyone have brush source, rebuild source and or parts source. also need to know how to take out drivers window switch. thanks much willson

Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page