Parts Catalog Accessories Catalog How To Articles Tech Forums
Call Pelican Parts at 888-280-7799
Shopping Cart Cart | Project List | Order Status | Help



Go Back   PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum > Mercedes-Benz Tech Information and Support > Tech Help

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 05-25-2007, 03:09 PM
Jadavis's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 995
w124 AC pressures equal across compressor

I just got the report from my Air Conditioning shop. The compressor is spinning away like it should, but the pressures are about 75psi on both sides of the compressor.

Early 1987 300D (sold on the lot in October of 1986)
I don't think there has ever been R134a in the system. No records of it and I am contacting the PO now.
I had it charged with Freeze 12 last year. I don't know if they also added oil when they added the freon. (I just read about the lack of a sump in the MB set up and the need to add oil when you add freon.)

My gut reaction after reading up on the forum is that the compressor siezed and crapped up the condenser and expansion valve. I think I need a flush, a new compressor, condenser, expansion valve, receiver-dryer, and new o-rings all around.

The AC guy suggested a new expansion valve to start with and try it from there.

Any ideas?

-Jim

__________________
1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 05-25-2007, 03:15 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: DFW / Collin County Texas
Posts: 1,882
At first thought I'm inclined to think the TXV is actually stuck open.
__________________
08 W251 R350
97 W210 E320
91 W124 300E
86 W126 560SEL
85 W126 380SE Silver
85 W126 380SE Cranberry
79 W123 250
78 W123 280E
75 W114 280
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 05-25-2007, 03:51 PM
Jadavis's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 995
TXV - Thermal eXpansion Valve (aka expansion valve)?

That was what my AC guy suggested.

-Jim
__________________
1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 06-25-2007, 02:25 PM
Jadavis's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 995
OK, it wasn't the expansion valve. I changed it and the receiver dryer. It was not holding a good vacuum. (Lost 7psi in 15 minutes.) He shot soaped everything up and shot some freon to it. Everything looked great from above. From below there was oil and bubble coming from the clutch side of the compressor. Looks like I need a new compressor.

Any suggestions on where to find one? When I try to look it up it askes which engine I have:
12-023875 or the 12-023876

I have a 1987 300D. I don't have the VIN handy right now, but it was sold in October of 1986, so it is an early model.

-Jim
__________________
1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 06-26-2007, 10:31 AM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 5
I just replaced the compressor on my 89 300E last weekend and I buy virtually all of my parts from The Benz Bin. I paid $342 approx. and I could store meat in the car now ! I have never gotten a bad part from the bin and just placed another order today.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 06-26-2007, 10:59 AM
jhodg5ck's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Atlanta, GA
Posts: 1,405
I've had the best luck w/ Benz reman compressors. Some of the aftermarket bits didn't hold up well..

Just my 2!

Jonathan
__________________
Blue Ridge Mercedes
Jonathan Hodgman
http://www.blueridgemb.com/
Enthusiast Service, Restoration & Tuning.
Follow Us on Facebook!
Located in the Atlanta area
Specializing in all pre and post merger AMG's including Hammers and DOHC M117 engines.
Mercedes Repair Atlanta
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 06-26-2007, 11:53 AM
slk230red's Avatar
WECO Installer
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadavis View Post
OK, it wasn't the expansion valve. I changed it and the receiver dryer. It was not holding a good vacuum. (Lost 7psi in 15 minutes.) He shot soaped everything up and shot some freon to it. Everything looked great from above. From below there was oil and bubble coming from the clutch side of the compressor. Looks like I need a new compressor.

Any suggestions on where to find one? When I try to look it up it askes which engine I have:
12-023875 or the 12-023876

I have a 1987 300D. I don't have the VIN handy right now, but it was sold in October of 1986, so it is an early model.

-Jim
Well, the good news is that your compressor is not seized. It sounds like the compressor seal is leaking. Why can't the shop just replace the seal. This used to be common failures and repairs.
__________________

1993 190E 2.3
2001 SLK230
1971 LS5 (454) Corvette Convertible
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 06-26-2007, 12:14 PM
Jadavis's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 995
Could it really be that simple? Are they the seals that are included in the o-ring kit? (Rectangular, segmented seals)

-Jim
__________________
1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 06-26-2007, 12:56 PM
slk230red's Avatar
WECO Installer
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jadavis View Post
Could it really be that simple? Are they the seals that are included in the o-ring kit? (Rectangular, segmented seals)

-Jim
No, those are for the head plate you have to transfer from your old compressor, and the hose connections.

Denso Compressors

http://www.densoproducts.com/resultsApp.asp?AAIA=1193802&productCategoryID=5


__________________

1993 190E 2.3
2001 SLK230
1971 LS5 (454) Corvette Convertible

Last edited by slk230red; 06-26-2007 at 01:18 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 06-26-2007, 02:03 PM
Jadavis's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 995
It's not an AC shop. It is my general mechanic, who also does AC work. I'm sure he's not comfortable cracking open a compressor.

-Jim
__________________
1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 06-26-2007, 08:26 PM
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Evansville, Indiana
Posts: 8,150
The seals come out the front, can be done with the compressor on the car. Common failure.

I'd check around for a Benz shop (or Toyota, it's a Nippondenso compressor) and find someone to change the seals for you, it's much cheaper than a new compressor, and likely nothing else is wrong.

however, given that there was no pressure differential and the compressor was running, it may be toast, I cannot imagine what beside a broken shaft would do that (and on a Benz, the Klima will kick out under those conditions as the speed sensor is on the tail end of the shaft).

Peter
__________________
1972 220D ?? miles
1988 300E 200,012
1987 300D Turbo killed 9/25/07, 275,000 miles
1985 Volvo 740 GLE Turobodiesel 218,000
1972 280 SE 4.5 165, 000 - It runs!
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 06-26-2007, 09:24 PM
Jadavis's Avatar
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Tennessee
Posts: 995
Thanks for the info. I'll see if I can find something in any of these areas:
Huntsville, AL
Nashville, TN
Knoxville, TN

If anyone knows of a good shop in any of these areas please let me know.

-Jim

__________________
1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On




All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2024 Pelican Parts, LLC - Posts may be archived for display on the Peach Parts or Pelican Parts Website -    DMCA Registered Agent Contact Page