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08-21-2007, 02:20 PM
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Its an old car. They burn a lot of fuel and cost a few grand a year at least to maintain. I wouldn't buy a car like this if you can't do a lot of the work yourself. When were the timing chain and rails last done? If no records exist budget $1,200 for that right away. At 200k miles its going to need some front end work, $1,500, and probably a transmission soon, $1,500. Probably some head work as well, so might as well yank the heads while your doing the chain. $2,000. Throw in another $2k for all the defered maintaince, and you are probably in the ball park. For $3k you really are shopping the bottom of the barrel in regards to C126's. You need to spend 2-3 times that to really get into the decent cars. If you want a cheap coupe buy a Prelude.
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08-21-2007, 03:03 PM
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All good points
Will have to get a 2nd job to afford a car... ouch tc was done at 150 have to check if they did the rails Thing is I've already spent over $3000 on the Volvo in past 3 yrs timing chain big service front end cat converter & its still worth only about $2000 It's depreciating faster than in worth but its usable & I can't afford a $10K car Least I know my Volvo had it about 10 years all in all a good car I thought about front end mine went at 125K at almost 200K its coming up on the biggies  Thanks for all the input Guess it all comes down to is how much I can sqeeze out of my pocket for the big toy...  Now armed with all of this I shall go see Its his day off so it's time to go look at the cocoa machine Thanks 
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08-21-2007, 10:45 PM
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I would be very careful with that guy and IF AND ONLY IF he comes up with the history and maintenance records and if the DMV can give you any info on it...IF it is in good shape cosmetically and it runs well, it is worth $3000-$3500. The eruo model is more desireable and the milage is not a concern on that car, it will go lots further. Maintenance is not bad at all on it, but if you pay a shop to do all the work, well, you will be paying shop prices for easy to do work. German engineering was made to be accessable and easy to work on. The euro is typically what someone who is "looking" for a SEC would like to find, the bumpers look better, the engine outpu is typically better, and the fire extinguisher is a favorite with all of us MB dorks. I looked forever for one for my MB that isnt even a real Euro. If you like the car and the Brown grows on you, the Wheels are a great find and look very clean. If you like it and want it, buy it. For that cost, it should be an easy resale if things get bad for some reason.
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08-21-2007, 11:08 PM
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I am torn though say its not really his to sell? I hear the same noise inmy engine & worse It might just be nothing or they both are clunkers It's the first I've seen & I have a few in $3000 range to check The engine was so big cluttered so many thngs in it looks like a nightmare to work on well compared to my empty Volvo compartment simple lots of room It went reverse foward ok I just was able to drive foward & back in his driveway seemed smooth does have a gas type exhaust stink I had him depress gas I checked exhaust it was clean without smoke gauges said oil pressure & temp was fine Oil looked good How much can you tell about an engine from oil pressure? can heads still be worn? One thing I didn;t like was rust on the hubs of the front parts that have the belts the housing was rusted very odd as the rest of the car was really clean Ooooh Help it won't last long Brown wasn't so bad has the red fire extinguisher too do you mean the wheels are ok the smd? or the car in general? I think the $3K was todays deal & he can't get records but do I take a chance? I'd like to find a really clean one silver lower miles I just can't trust what he says seems like things don't match up arrrghh Thanks everyone there was a womans name on the title guess brown was ok Last edited by CamelotShadow; 08-21-2007 at 11:35 PM.
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08-21-2007, 11:47 PM
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He admits he bought it from Cars4 cause
he has bill of sale Arrrgh I don't like him sating it was his father in laws Suppose soemthing is not right w transfer? He'll do $3K I can give him a dep tonight He swears the info about the maintenance is correct & the car was in one family from 87 so they donated Now what?
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08-22-2007, 12:03 AM
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only records found start 2001
at 196,000 miles & apparently the car was used less than 300 miles from 2003 to now It also failed emissions last 2 times 2003 failed then passed 2005 failed then passed day later mileage was only 100 miles or so in 2 years guess the car sat & it didn't pass it did smell a bit don;t know if it passed legally this time I bet this guy knows where to go to get a certificate LOL well paid $15 for report which bascially says the car is 6 years old a glitch the vin is an old vin its on the car inmany places So.... arrgh current miles 196,293 last mileage check in 2005 was 196,126 so only 150 miles in last 2 years Car hasn't seen much driving in past 4 or more years could have hidden problems but as he says I could resell it for what I paid yikes Last edited by CamelotShadow; 08-22-2007 at 12:17 AM.
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08-22-2007, 12:41 AM
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You have a decision to make that most of us with MB have had to make at some time. EIther pass it up and save more money or take the chance and not be angry later. I still think you could resell it while being honest about its past for $3000 as is. I dont think the guy is being honest, but I doubt he is really hiding anything, I have yet to meet an honest car salesman and he sounds like he wants to make a buck. Offer him $2800 cash, tell him it will need a tune up and new hoses to be sure it is highway safe and you will need the money to do it. If he wont take the $2800 walk away and feel good about it, if he does, buy it and feel good about it. Either way, buying older cars is always a trial by fire. Good luck, it looks nice in the photos and everyone loves the EUor car over the US version. The wheels are a great touch and dont worry about what size they are, 14,15 or 16 inch work well on the SEC cars and wont hurt anything. A good paint job in Brown aint so bad...
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08-22-2007, 01:18 AM
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There undercover inspectors too. But who knows? Money talks. Hell, Bob Dylan said: "money SWEARS" These cars will suffer a LOT of abuse and still run. It is not good for them to just sit around. But it could be brought back. You would need to establish a baseline. That might include ALL new fluids: Oil change, new (Mercedes Benz only) coolant, a brake fluid change (required every 2 years anyhow), possible inspection of the air filter, spark plugs and wires, and of course, belts and hoses, and the power steering pump fluid. Maybe a couple of hundred or so at least. I would definately try and get that off the $3,000 as was said... Silver ones look nice. But it is hard to find them now in colors you like. I looked around for over a year for my favorite color: cabernet red, but could never find one. And, that was over 10 years ago, too, when more were around than now.
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08-22-2007, 01:01 AM
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Did you run the Vin# on the free Russian Website? Put it in here and see what happens. http://www.mbclub.ru/mb/vin/?lng=eng If the paperwork is OK, (specifically, the sign offs on the title are correct) and the bill of sale to you is forthcoming, the car could still be all right. They were top of the line cars when they are new. You are an intelligent buyer if you are on a budget and are holding back some of your money for possible future repairs. If you put a deposit on it, with a fellow like this, be sure to get a clearly spelt out bill of sale, and having one in clear with his statement in clear language that either he is the titleholder or authorized to sell it would help. Or at least a signed receipt for the bill of sale. While it's not good the car didn't go far in the last few year, it is not fatal either. Good luck whatever you do
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08-22-2007, 01:17 AM
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year is still weird w this vin but has oprions Model500 SEC Engine117963 12 009640 Transmission722311 02 204027Order0 - 227 67179 Approx. year1990 LightsBOSCH Cab01044 DealerNuernberg branch (227) Interiorleather saffron+java (234) Paint480Unknown code Options228auxiliary heater auxiliary heater (с 01.11.1974) auxiliary heater (only provision for installation in w 210) 256rear axle with limited-slip differential (с 01.11.1965 по 30.11.1991) 410Unknown code430headrests in the rear (с 01.01.1977) 444tempomat (cruise control) and airbag (с 01.02.1980 по 31.10.1993) 452two-tone horn (с 01.01.1963 по 28.02.1993) 470anti-lock braking system (abs) (с 01.06.1978 по 31.10.1993) 504outside rear view mirror, right, electrically adjustable (l.h.d.) taxi version, f.r.g, and outside rear view mirror on the right 532automatic antenna without radio set (с 01.01.1963) 543sun visor with vanity mirror, illuminated, left and right (с 01.11.1978) 551anti-theft warning system (с 01.11.1978 по 31.03.1998) 570folding armrest front w202/210 stowage box front with armrest (с 01.04.1970) front folding armrest w202 - housing at front with armrest 580air conditioner/Tempmatic (с 01.11.1982) 590heat-insulating glass, all-around, heated rear window pane (laminated glass), Germany green heat-insulating glass all round, heated rear window, laminated safety glass - Germany (с 01.01.1972) 600headlamp wiper/washer (с 01.08.1971) 611courtesy lamps for front and rear doors, with W124 also for central doors/W202 front doors only (с 01.11.1978) 64015-hole light alloy rims (с 01.01.1990) 682fire extinguisher (с 01.04.1970) 812rear-mounted loudspeaker (с 01.11.1974) 870Unknown code871Unknown code
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08-22-2007, 12:58 AM
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Just a quick reply on the mileage. I have an 85 500SEL that consistently gets between 19 and 21mpg on the highway with Regular unleaded and averaging over 75mpg. I've gotten as high as 21.68 mpg on a 300 mile leg of a road trip. I just keep the tires filled up to recommended pressure and the air conditioning does not currently work on mine. Not bad for a 23 year old car.
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08-22-2007, 05:54 AM
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Congratulations, God protect you and your car
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08-22-2007, 05:57 AM
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Same to you!
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08-22-2007, 07:08 AM
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It looks like a very nice car.
They are built really well. My 84 500sec was very inexpensive to keep running. Always depress the gas pedal about 1/4 on start up. Don't get excited if it runs a little rough when it first starts up. I chased that with five or six hundred dollars in repairs that never did a bit of good and it never got better or worse. Use a good injection cleaner every couple of months. Drive it a lot. Enjoy. If you are near here I want to come see it sometime.....with your permission. That brown used to be my favorite color of benz. Clean and treat your leather often to keep it supple. Tom W
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