Is it an easy swap? - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

jchowe420 · #1 11-18-2007, 10:33 PM

Just saw a C280 at a used car dealer shop with the unusual AMG look! it got the AMG dash/two tone steering wheel, sport seat front and rear but missing the SL600 front brake disc and the 17" amg rim... the car run 16" now!

I run the vin check and it comes out a C36!

open the hood i see the M104 engine but it is no way for me to tell if it is a 2.8 or a 3.6. i check the engine number and it is not match with the vin check web site.....

so my question is, is it a very swap a 3.6 back to a 2.8? how about the wiring? the computer?
thx

mbdoc · #2 11-19-2007, 08:06 AM

The C36 was a M104 2.8L engine with the same engine number & then AMG punched it out to 3.6L ! NO easy to see if the engine is a C36 OR a regular 2.8L.

Measuring the capacity of the cylinder would be the easiest way & that requires special measuring equipment.

jchowe420 · #3 11-19-2007, 10:16 AM

thx MB DOC
i jsut wondering if it is easy to swap the engine? how about the computer and other wiring... coz the car looks so C36 (the vin said it is a C36) but the dealer keep saying it is a C280, so i am a little lost here......

i checked the ECU location (whick located at the top right hand corner of the engine compartment, i saw like 3 computer slot... while C280 only has one slot... however i have still no idea to tell if it is a C36 or C280)

mbdoc · #4 11-19-2007, 11:17 AM

LIke I posted earlier..the C36 started life as a C280!

Then the car was shipped to AMG & they made the car into a C36...

SO the CHASSIS number is the same as a c280 & so is the engine number!

The VIN is the only way to see if the car IS a C36..The engine number must match that chasis number

Tell the dealer to perform a VMI on the car, so they can see what that car really IS.

jchowe420 · #5 11-19-2007, 09:45 PM

The vin said it is a C36, but the engine number doesnt match......
So my question will be, is it easy to swap the engine? is it just like changing the engine only? (so you can keep the rest, say the ECU, the dash board....)

Model C36
Chassis 2020282F
Engine 104941 22
Transmission 722424
Order 0 5 293
Delivery date 30.01.95
Dealer company vehicle (293)
Interior leather black or graphite (201)
Paint
744 brilliant silver metallic (с 1991)
Options
221 left front seat, electrically adjustable (с 01.11.1978)

222 right front seat, electrically adjustable (с 01.11.1978)

240 outside temperature indicator (с 01.03.1982)

243 sports seats, front and rear (с 01.12.1986)

253 radio MB-Exquisit - Japan (с 01.07.1992)

282 ski bag (inboard loading facility) (с 01.07.1989)

291 airbag for front passenger
airbag for front passenger (с 01.10.1993)
airbag for driver and front passenger (if driver airbag standard - then only for passenger)

341 additional lamp (с 01.09.1982)

414 electric tilting/sliding roof in glass version (с 01.10.1988)

420 automatic transmission, floor shift (с 01.01.1963)

430 headrests in the rear (с 01.01.1977)

443 tempomat (cruise control), and steering column, electrically adjustable (с 01.07.1984)

498 Japan version (с 01.07.1970)

500 outside rear view mirror left and right, folding (с 01.10.1993)

543 sun visor with vanity mirror, illuminated, left and right (с 01.11.1978)

570 folding armrest front w202/210 stowage box front with armrest (с 01.04.1970)
front folding armrest w202 - housing at front with armrest

588 automatic climate control and electric window lifters (front and rear doors) (с 01.01.1977)

593 heat-insulating glass, all-around, heated rear window pane (single-sheet safety glass), band filter
green heat-insulating glass all round, heated rear window, single pane safety glass - tinted strip (с 01.01.1972)

600 headlamp wiper/washer (с 01.08.1971)

615 lamp unit, asymmetrical l.h. traffic, and front and rear door courtesy lamps
like 610, and with type 107 bifocal bulbs
611 + 613 (с 01.11.1978)

655 sports suspension with light alloy wheels, 5-hole (с 01.07.1992)

673 high-capacity battery (с 01.01.1964)

772 amg styling package - front spoiler, side skirts and rear apron (с 02.01.1992)

774 Shell modification for AMG-wheels

776 wheel cover for amg 17" wheels (w202 export only) (с 02.11.1992)

805 Change of year of model, last figure shows new model year

810 loudspeaker, sound package
sound package (bose) (с 01.12.1986)

873 seat heater for left and right front seats (с 01.02.1984)

916 Unknown code
956 equipment package sport (с 01.11.1991)

957 AMG technology package (с 01.01.1992)
extension tube on the roof, front left

987 battery cut-off switch for vehicles to be shipped (с 01.02.1993)

Tomguy · #6 11-19-2007, 11:30 PM

I don't get it...
Are you saying it's a C36 that's been swapped to a 2.8 engine and you want to swap back to a C36? Or are you saying you want to change it from a C36 to a C280? Maybe you're running the wrong VIN, or the VIN tool you have is wrong. I'm sure the dealer would mark it as a C36 if it were a C36. Used car dealers are required (by law) to give full disclosure of a vehicle so, if it has had an engine change to a non-stock (IE: Not what it was sold with) model, they have to tell you!

jchowe420 · #7 11-19-2007, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Tomguy

I don't get it...
Are you saying it's a C36 that's been swapped to a 2.8 engine and you want to swap back to a C36? Or are you saying you want to change it from a C36 to a C280? Maybe you're running the wrong VIN, or the VIN tool you have is wrong. I'm sure the dealer would mark it as a C36 if it were a C36. Used car dealers are required (by law) to give full disclosure of a vehicle so, if it has had an engine change to a non-stock (IE: Not what it was sold with) model, they have to tell you!

the car is not in US, it is in HK and it is a grey import!
The dealer said it is a C280 with 2.8 engine but C36 int.
but in fact (well, from the vin) it is a C36!

However, it seems there's no easy way i can tell if the engine is a 2.8 or 3.6...

crhenkel · #8 11-20-2007, 10:12 PM

Drive it, if it is a 3.6 liter engine now, you should be able to tell fairly easy, brain to foot, foot to floor.