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Old 04-22-2008, 10:25 PM
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W202 C280 A/C question

Hi All,

My A/C quit working today - the compressor clutch does not engage (not even for a second). Static pressures are fine. I'd like to see if the two pressure and the temperature sensors on the dryer work. In addition I'd like to know if the other pressure switch works. Does someone know what I should be measuring on them so I know they are working?

I was able to put the climate control into diagnostic mode and got code 7 (refrigerant pressure) at 6.1bar=88.5PSI and code 8 (refrigerant temperature) at 82F. Both these seem to be valid (ambient was around 82F). Does this mean that the temperature sensor inside the dryer and the hidden pressure sensor are working? If so, does the pressure switch on the dryer open or close if the pressure is too low (what is normal operation)?

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Greg

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Old 04-23-2008, 09:04 AM
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IS the "EC" light on all of the time?

What is the reading for #5, the evaporator temp sensor?
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Old 04-23-2008, 09:21 AM
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#5 was around 82F, EC is not on.
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1985 300SD ~190k
1990 560SEL
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1983 380SEC 102k dual-chain conversion
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1987 300DT (W124 - sold)
1972 220D (sold)
1971 220D (sold)
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:08 AM
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I disconnected the compressor clutch cable, and I see the battery on the cable. Connected it to an old compressor and the clutch engages on that. It seems that the clutch on the compressor crapped out.
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1985 300SD ~190k
1990 560SEL
2000 C220 CDI
1983 380SEC 102k dual-chain conversion
2000 C280 70k (sold)
1987 300DT (W124 - sold)
1972 220D (sold)
1971 220D (sold)
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:46 AM
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Clutch has fusible link to protect the controller from a short.
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:52 AM
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Thanks, but the voltage does get to the compressor except it does not engage.
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1985 300SD ~190k
1990 560SEL
2000 C220 CDI
1983 380SEC 102k dual-chain conversion
2000 C280 70k (sold)
1987 300DT (W124 - sold)
1972 220D (sold)
1971 220D (sold)
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Thanks, but the voltage does get to the compressor except it does not engage.
IIRC the fuseable link is inside the clutch.
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I removed the solenoid from my old compressor and indeed see the fusible link on it. I have not taken the new compressor's clutch off yet (as it is still under warranty), but probably that fuse is blown. Why isn't the fuse inline at the connector, seriously?
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1985 300SD ~190k
1990 560SEL
2000 C220 CDI
1983 380SEC 102k dual-chain conversion
2000 C280 70k (sold)
1987 300DT (W124 - sold)
1972 220D (sold)
1971 220D (sold)

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Why isn't the fuse inline at the connector, seriously?
The fuse in the solenoid is a "thermal fuse" - if the compressor begins to lock up the clutch will slip, which will cause it to heat up. The heat melts the fuseable link and the clutch disengages - I don't think this fuse was designed to be a traditional current protection fuse.
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Old 04-23-2008, 03:25 PM
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That'd make sense.
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1985 300SD ~190k
1990 560SEL
2000 C220 CDI
1983 380SEC 102k dual-chain conversion
2000 C280 70k (sold)
1987 300DT (W124 - sold)
1972 220D (sold)
1971 220D (sold)
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Old 04-23-2008, 11:13 PM
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Does a 1994 c280 A/C system have this fusable link? If so where can I find a schematic so I can locate it? Or can someone give realativly good directions on how to locate and replace? Which brings up another question----where do you get a new fuse? Dealer? Thank you for the help!!
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on 1996 & later a/c compressors the fusible link is part of the clutch.

The earlier cars don't have that feature
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Old 04-24-2008, 09:58 PM
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Well.....I was hoping. I'll take it to a friend's shop and see what's up.

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