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Old 04-28-2008, 05:25 PM
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Brake questions - 1992 400E W124 - Front brake rotor removal, sensors, pads

I am looking for some addiitonal insights on front brake repair for my 1992 400E (W124).

Some questions:

With the calipers off in the front, will the disk rotor pop off at this point? There is a small Allen-head screw in the rotor roughly between two of the lug bolts. Does it have to be loosened or removed?
This model does not require removal of the wheel bearing and the full hub, right?

I see much more severe wear on the outer pads than the inner pads. Does that possibly indicate the outer caliper/piston is dragging a bit?

Do the sensors and shims come with replacement brake pads? If not, is it recommended to replace those when replacing the pads?

Questions on rotor condition for replacement or resurfacing. The outer surface of my rotor is definitely not flat as you go from ID to OD. There is also a lip right at the OD (probably the pads are just inside that lip). Is there a flatness/roughness guideline for turning or replacing the rotors? What is the dimension? For turning, the rotors need to be more than some minimum thickness? What is the minimum rotor thickness?

Is there any special brake fluid type for Mercedes W124?

Last, I think I made my job a lot harder in trying to remove the calipers. There are 2 19mm Hex bolts to take off. There are also 4 8mm Allen Head bolts that appear to just hold the two halves of the caliper together. I got 3 loosened finally but somewhat damaged the head of the 4th Allen. Can I just retighten the Allen Heads and leave them in place now or is there some resealing to be done?

Finally, is it correct that the pads can be replaced without removing the caliper from the rotor? This will be useful for the future when the rotors do not need work.

Thanks for the help with my long list of questions!

Regards,
Kim

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Old 04-28-2008, 05:49 PM
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I also have a 92 400E

To remove the front rotors, remove the caliper and the small screw between the lugs. The rotor may be rusted on, but at that point it will come off. The small allen screw may be a bit stuck. It does not have to be reinstalled very tightly. It serves to prevent the rotor from coming loose when the wheel is removed. You do not need to mess with the wheel bearings to replace the pads or a rotor.

Some difference in inner/outer pad wear is normal, but if it is drastically different, then, yes, i would expect to find a stuck/partially stuck piston in the caliper.

The sensors and shims are purchased separately. SOMETIMES you can carefully salvage the sensors from the old pads and re-use them. If the pads wore down until the sensors were activated, they usually are not re-useable. Some here recommend replacing the shims periodically, but I have always re-used them and see no reason to replace them unless they are damaged.

It is not recommended to "turn" MB rotors, but many folks here do it. I think the minimum thickness might be etched on the rotor somewhere? In my opinion, if you have a "lip" it is likely worn too much to consider turning. I successfully had a pair turned once that had little wear in order to smooth them out.

The two 19MM bolts are to remove the caliper. (Ya shouldn't have messed with the others!) I have never messed with the other bolts that hold the caliper together. Perhaps someone here can address that question. If you tighen them back does it leak? Perhaps it is time for a fresh pair of rebuilt calipers? If you are replacing the calipers it would be a good time to replace the rubber brake hoses unless they appear to have been replaced recently.

Yes, you are correct; if you are not removing the rotors, you can easily replace the pads without removing the calipers.

There are many opinions on best pads and rotors here, but my preference for this car is "PBR Deluxe Plus" pads (relatively low dust) and MB or Zimmerman brand rotors available from this web site.

Good luck!

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