cold start valve vs. ovp
I have read many threads about the same thing. And now its hapening to my 89 300e.
Low idle. Stalls at lights. Rough cold start abs light on. At first I was told that it could be the cold start valve and a few threads confirmed that that could be the issue. Now however I have seen some poastings that say it could be the ovp relay. This seams like it also be a likley problem ass well. Oh and the abs light is on. I love my car and I want to fix her myself. However I dont have the money or time to fix phantom problems. And judging by some of the posts that I have read I dont want to trust a mcanic to fix my problems. or at least try fail and charge. Hey you guyes colectivly know a hell of a lot more than me so any help would be much appreciated.:D |
There are some bulletins on this issue and I can tell you that most likely that you have 2 seperate problems. OVP can be tested with readily available tools. I can send you the document.
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sweet!
Ok thanks for the reply if you want you can e-mail the doc to me jke3e@yahoo.com
I dont know though I kinda hope its the ovp. |
for the stalling/Cold start:
1. no speed signal from the speedometer to the cise control unit 2.crankshaft postion sensor 3. EZL ignition system 4.electrical connections at ignition coil 5. Sockets of OVP and fuel pump relay bad solder connections 6. cise control unit 7. A/C compressor control unit 8. cold start valve 9. loose connections(grounds, cise wiring harness 10. Internal fuel leakage had a similar problem on a 190E 2.6 and it turned out to be an internal fuel leakage problem. You may also have malfunction cise components |
Wow thanks man I apreciate the help. of the problems that you listed which would be simplest to fix? Im thinking like easy to hard you know?:D
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the other things i didnt mention have test programs |
thank you
Hey I got an early call tomorrow but after work I will be under the hood I will kep you posted on my progress. Thaks a lot!
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If the ABS light stays on, check the OVP relay. First, check the fuse on top of the OVP relay. Also, check that the OVP relay is fully seated into the socket. If problem still exists, then you will probably need to replace the relay. To bench test: Ground on 31 and Battery on 15, relay operates. Then, with battery applied to 30, 12v should appear on pin 87E and 87L. http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w.../OVPRelayA.jpg http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...d/OVPRelay.jpg |
The OVP supplies power to the ECU and the ABS computer. The car will run badly if the ECU is not on. As said previously, check the fuse on top of the OVP. If it's good, and you can check with an ohmmeter, take the relay out and remove the case. Resolder the connections at the bottom, put the case back on and plug it in. There is no cost for doing this and will save you some money. If this does not work, get a new OVP.
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My 95 E320 just started doing the samething. It died a few times at start up, is running like crap, doesn;t have a steady smooth idle, and the abs light comes on. I bought this car as a project and have replaced all of the normal issues with this model except replacing the OVP.
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Start with the OVP. It's $65 for a new one on-line, and from reading here: if it isn't bad, it will be. I ordered one for a spare and have had a bad one in one of my diesels, I'm a believer.
The ABS light with the bad running is almost a sure sign. |
FWIW, I've been a professoinal MB tech for 12 years and have never replaced a cold start valve on a 103 engine. They just don't go bad.
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Bosch part number bosch H 9 DC or bosch H 9 DCO |
"Then why do they seem to have such a hard time cold starting and idling?? (Maybe I am just bitter....) "
The cold start valve is a very simple part of a complex system. There is a reason the newer cars don't have CIS injection. Most manufacturers gave up on it well before Mercedes did. |
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