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				Need info on mercedes engine swap
			 
			
			I am a biodieseler and a mechanic, so i am thinking of fitting a mercedes engine in a 1999 kia sportage. I am thinking of a 300sd engine.How is the power on these engines? What engine would you guys use?What kind would you not use? I want something with good power. Any walls i might run into with this swap? Thanks for any info.
			
				
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			You'll want to post this in the diesel forum. The power/weight ratio of the 617 (pre-'86) 300SD is not great, plus the weight and size in the Kia will not make it a good candidate. The best IMO for this would be the 5-cylinder 602 turbo if it'll fit, or 4-cylinder 601 if the 602 won't fit. For the size though, I'd be looking at a VW Tdi engine. 
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			So what is a 601 or 602 what cars have them?
			
				
			
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			It will likely be very difficult to find one of those engines.  Why on earth would you put a MB motor in a kia?   A kia has about as much protection as a cardboard box in an accident! A 617 (300SD) engine weighs about 650lbs....and would probably collapse the entire car to the ground With the transmission it is over 750lbs. The engine in a sportage probably weighs less than half of that. As babymog said, the best engine candidate would probably be a tdi VW motor. 
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			601 is early 190D 4-cylinder, no turbo, slow. 602 is the 190D 2.5 5-cylinder, significantly more power. 602 turbo more power still, rare in the '87 190D 2.5 turbo, more common in the '90-'93 300D 2.5 Turbo.
			
				
			
		 
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			so how much hp does the 90-93 300D 2.5 turbo have? what is the weight of these cars?
			
				
			
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			300D weighs around 3500#, 122hp IIRC.
			
				
			
		 
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