I have ground that does not go away when the fuses are removed one at a time.

1995 S350 W140

I put a verified charged to 100% brand new battery in the car last night. This morning it was down to 60%.

I recharged the battery and:

I connected the positive terminal of the recharged to 100% brand new battery to the cars positive cable like normal.

I connected my multimeter in series between the negative cable on the car and the negative terminal on the battery.

With the multimeter set to DC Amps it is reading 4.4 amps.

Then I went through the front and back fuse boxes and pulled each fuse one at a time, replacing the fuses after verifying that the current did not change.

Is there a non-fused load in here that may be the problem?

What do I check next?

Should I pull all of the fuses? (Could there be multiple grounds? Shouldn't I have seen at least a partial change in current while checking each fuse one at a time if there are multiple gounds?)

Help!

-Jim

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Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

The regulator or the diode bridge in the alternator could be going out and causing the drain, if nothing else is.

I wouldn't think that your current draw would be stable if you had it spread around multiple circuits, and having them all fail at once is not too likely.

If you have a Schucks, O'reilly's or the like that can do the free alternator tests, I'd consider pulling it and having it tested.


I'm not too familiar with that particular model, so I can't say just what else might be unfused, or not fused in the main fuse box.

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Testing the cheap Mercedes axiom, one bolt at a time...

Thanks, that gives me something to search on here on the forum.

I'll read up before I pull the alternator. It has a serpintine belt. My mechanic was not a happy camper when he put the new one on after replacing my air conditioning compressor.

-Jim

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Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

EDIT: Allen beat me to it.

(NOW, you know who can answer this question...[+ it ain't me.] )
(just have to wait until gsxr or one of the professional wrench turners see it.)

I hate to complicate your diagnostic endeavors...BUT,the MAIN ground for the
whole electric system is that wire from the Battery Negative Pole to the Body.
(so [putting your DMM in series at that point] in effect you are measuring the AMP draw from the negative side of the consumer through the body < ground wire < consumer I'll bet if you put the DMM in series in between the Battery Positive pole and
the positive clamp you'll still get the 4.4 AMPS Draw.

That's a big draw...I'd be suspicious of the rectifier bridge/diodes in the Alternator(It has been known that when one goes bad it suctions off the Electrons.) Yes,the test would be put the DMM in series between the positive lead from the Alternator (Big Wire)and the distribution block on the passenger wheel house.[KO,EO of course][Key Off,Engine Off]

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The alternator is at the bottom of the engine bay, of course.

I am away from home right now in a campground. I have the car's jack (yuck!) and jack stands, but no safe place to jack the front end up.

Where does the positive lead from the alternator go to? Is it the second wire that attaches to the positive clamp on the battery?

I followed the smaller wire that comes off of the positive terminal. I goes to a terminal block about 1 foot from the positive terminal. From there it branches over to the fuse box in the trunk and forward (to the main fuse box?).

Strangely, with the ground wire connected to the battery and the multimeter in series from the positive terminal on the battery to the wire that goes to the rear fuse box I get 7 amps!

-Jim

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1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

Found a related thread:

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=179478&highlight=w140+alternator

-Jim

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1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

Found a possibly related thread.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=34658&highlight=w140+battery+drain

They are having trouble with the trunk closing mechanism and the battery draining.

I have noticed that I have to firmly shut the trunk and hold it shut to get it to stay shut. I'll follow their ideas and see if it is the current drain.

-Jim

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Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

is Staying On...bet that's one of them.
Weird that you are showing two different amp Draw rates?
Unless you've actually got two (2) separate Amp draws.
1.Trunk
AND
2.Alternator rectifier/diode bridge.

See if these help any:

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Thanks! That helps me understand what is going on a little better. It also makes me wonder why they set it up like they did. Seems like they could have eliminated a connector and run the rear fuse box right off of the battery. It is what it is.

Now to find the front junction (#29 Cable Connector) and lift the wire going to the starter & alternator to check the current from there to ground. #62 is the main cable. At the end of it is #77 to the alternator and #80 to the starter. Lifting #62 at the #29 Cable Connector will let me check out the alternator without having to jack the car up...hopefully.

It will have to wait for Saturday. I will drive the car home tonight and check it at home. Right now I have the lead lifted on the battery to keep it from draining.

-Jim

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1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

I took this photo of #53 Cable Connector in the trunk last night. Passenger side on the wheel well.

-Jim

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1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
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I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

I lifted both leads off of the back of the alternator and still have the ground. It is up to 5+ amps, but that is probably because of the freshly charged battery. (Higher voltage -> higher current).

I lifted the oil level sensor supply line. No change.

Still need to find & check the oil pressure sensor, starter, and a condensor (capacitor).

Any ideas where they are or any other thing to check?

-Jim

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1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

The Starter's in the second Cyrillic Pictogram in reply#8 (Just behind the Alternator...or so it appears?)

( Everything Else will be here: http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb1.asp?TP=1&F=140134&M=603.971&GA=722.367&CT=F&Cat=19B&SID=82 AND HERE http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb1.asp?TP=1&F=140134&VIN= )

AND here's your OP sender (It's #293):

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Same problem with mine as with every early to mid 90's MB...

I'm resheathing my sensor lines with heat shrink. They are in the hottest area of the engine compartment and are showing the signs first.

-Jim

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1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

I've heat shrinked all of the sensor lines, lines to the starter, and lines to the alternator. The ground is still there.

A friend of mine pointed out that diesel conducts electricty and that he has seen soaked wires and connectors cause grounds.

I had a split injector return line just before the ground appeared. It soaked the entire driver's side of the engine bay...

I guess I will concentrate there next...

-Jim

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1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.