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Old 09-02-2009, 10:07 PM
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The last couple of times I have driven my car when I stop at a traffic light not only am I getting that little shudder, the idle is sometimes erratic. It will kinda go up and down a little. I will sometimes have to even depress the brake harder or it will roll. With this additional symptom, does this still sound like the plugs or something else?
Although it shares the same KE injection system with the 300, the 560 is a different beast entirely when it comes to idle stability. Mark
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Old 09-03-2009, 02:46 AM
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Although it shares the same KE injection system with the 300, the 560 is a different beast entirely when it comes to idle stability. Mark
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Old 08-27-2009, 10:21 PM
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While there was absolutely no data provided on why the plugs would improve the situation except that Japanese NGKs "NEVER" work in German cars, and that it'll just work... I swapped plugs and wires with my friend's 300E anyway. He has the H9DCOs. We both have the OEM Bosch wires, mine were somewhat newer than his.

And it solved nothing at all. Problem persisted on my car, and his car drove no differently either. It's not the plugs, or wires. Period.

I sprayed some carb cleaner around the injector seals and idle changed just a bit when I hit cylinder 4, but not that much to make me immediately think it was a leak. I'll run a couple more tests to see what else it might be. Holding the pedal halfway down while starting the car though makes it start really quickly, like 1-2 cranks, which would suggest fuel leaking into the cylinders when the car is off...
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Old 08-28-2009, 08:36 AM
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While there was absolutely no data provided on why the plugs would improve the situation except that Japanese NGKs "NEVER" work in German cars, and that it'll just work... I swapped plugs and wires with my friend's 300E anyway. He has the H9DCOs. We both have the OEM Bosch wires, mine were somewhat newer than his.

And it solved nothing at all. Problem persisted on my car, and his car drove no differently either. It's not the plugs, or wires. Period...
Yeah, some guys just get off on these tangents without any empirical evidence to support their biases. The correct non-resistor NGK plugs work just fine in the M103 motor, as do the correct Bosch, Beru and Champion plugs.
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you swapped your plugs with other used plugs? maybe this car is not for you....sounds like you are not liking this car....
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:53 AM
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Yeah, some guys just get off on these tangents without any empirical evidence to support their biases.
It seems to be their 15 minutes of fame. Mark
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Old 08-30-2009, 12:41 AM
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you swapped your plugs with other used plugs? maybe this car is not for you....sounds like you are not liking this car....
I swapped to test your "theory." It proved wrong. My NGK plugs worked perfectly fine in the 300E. And the Bosch H9DCOs gave me the same symptoms. So, the plugs have nothing to do with it.

I like this car, but it is my beater. I don't mind spending money on it, but I'm not going to throw money away for no reason either.

Anyway, back on topic towards a resolution... Will be ordering injectors and a few misc. parts soon. Will see if it helps out the issue.
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Old 08-30-2009, 03:01 AM
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For a free test, you may want to give the EHA a small turn....I had a number of bottom end problems on my 260E that were completely resolved after I gave a 1/2 turn clockwise (rich) on the EHA. I recommend you write down exactly how far you turned and mark it so if you need to turn it back, it won't be a problem. Giving a 1/4 or 1/2 turn will raise BAR pressure in the lower fuel distributor chamber that just makes up for general wear and tear over the years throughout the system.
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Old 08-30-2009, 04:35 AM
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For a free test, you may want to give the EHA a small turn....I had a number of bottom end problems on my 260E that were completely resolved after I gave a 1/2 turn clockwise (rich) on the EHA. I recommend you write down exactly how far you turned and mark it so if you need to turn it back, it won't be a problem. Giving a 1/4 or 1/2 turn will raise BAR pressure in the lower fuel distributor chamber that just makes up for general wear and tear over the years throughout the system.
Sounds good. I think there is a "spec" to adjust it to right? 0.1mV?
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Old 09-03-2009, 05:48 PM
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Sorry I don't have an update yet guys, been working and playing with my other car lately... I have lived with the issue and it's not really bothering me enough yet. I will do the injectors though and will report back when I do to see if there are any changes.
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My friend with the 1990 300SE has erratic idle when in gear. Sometimes the idle will go up and down and sometimes require harder braking when it idles up. Anyone know what causes this?
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:49 AM
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My friend with the 1990 300SE has erratic idle when in gear. Sometimes the idle will go up and down and sometimes require harder braking when it idles up. Anyone know what causes this?
My bet is on the airflow potentiometer. There are a few people who sell them on eBay and here are the instructions to adjust it. I had the exact same issue and that fixed it for me.

http://sg-motorsports.com/AFS%20Pot%20write-up.htm
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Old 11-25-2009, 05:51 PM
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Any updates? Did you replace the injector seals?
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Old 12-02-2009, 04:45 AM
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Any updates? Did you replace the injector seals?
No sorry. I've been bad about it honestly... Been living with it and putting money into my track car instead. And there are two W203s in the household that are constantly giving me problems too.

It's a small issue to live with now. Maybe over the Christmas break I may attack it.
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Bad P/N switch? Sticking ICV?
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