W126 Steering Play? - Page 2 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

JamesDean · #16 07-10-2014, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimFreeh

There is an adjustment screw in the box.

It's on the top of the box. You loosen the lock nut and with a hex turn the adjustment nut OUT. A little bit goes a long way.

One of the interesting things about adjusting the box is that you do not want to over turn the adjustment. This tightens up the box, hides slop, and prevents self centering.

When I adjust, I always make sure there is still some play in the wheel before I lock it down.

The new box,is it possible that someone sneaked a used with too much adjustment in it into your car? Or. you might try turning the adjustment IN a bit and see what happens.

Jim

I am aware of this adjustment. I made it a few times on my one 300SD, it helped a bit but the box is still crap.

I believe that on the newly installed box (which was done last week) that I should not have any responsibility to adjust it at all. If it was old and out of warranty,etc sure I'd do it. but not with something like this.

pawoSD · #17 07-11-2014, 07:19 AM

Agreed, new box should come ready to go, especially if its one of the self compensating ones found on later cars. The box I installed last week needed no adjustments at all. I did install a bolt in the drain hole to keep it centered during install, but that's it.

pmckechnie · #18 07-11-2014, 09:09 AM

James, There are several adjustments on the steering system and they have to be done in a specific order.

Steering shaft must be in the locked position.
Steering wheel must be straight
The shaft going into the steering box must have the correct preload on the bearing to prevent end play.
The adjustment screw must be adjusted so there is a slight tight spot at the exact center of travel.
The steering box must have a locking bolt installed to keep the box centered during instillation.
Last but not least, a good alignment AFTER all the above adjustments are made.

I am thinking that somewhere along the line something was not adjusted correctly and the boxes were just installed the way the old one came out. Then the alignment was done to make the steering wheel straight when the car was going down the road.

The first few things can be easily checked. Just remove the key and turn the steering wheel until it locks. Is the steering wheel straight? It should be.
Next unlock the steering and have someone turn the steering wheel back and forth through the play. You look very carefully at the shaft going into the steering box and see if you see any in/out motion. If you do, the box is not adjusted correctly.
The next step will be to remove the drain bolt from the steering box (you will lose some fluid) and with the steering wheel straight you should be able to see a hole up in the piston that moves back and forth in the box. This is where you insert a pointed bolt in the drain hole to hold the box in the centered position. At this point the front wheels should be straight.

The whole point of all this is that if the box is not centered when the car is moving straight, then there will be play in the steering.

I just did the reseal on my 500 that has a 420 steering box and went through all of these adjustments and found the steering shaft was not correct. It didn't lock with the steering wheel centered. I locked the steering shaft and changed the steering wheel so it was correct. I did all the adjustments to the box with it on the bench. Installed the centering bolt. Installed the box. Had my alignment man adjust the front end using the lock bolt in the box. It is a different car. One problem I had was in gusty winds, the car was hard to handle. Now you can't even feel them. It doesn't pull at all. Life is good.

Sorry for the long post. I am just trying to help. If the person installing the boxes isn't aware of all this, you will never get the problem fixed.

Paul

JamesDean · #19 07-11-2014, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pmckechnie

James, There are several adjustments on the steering system and they have to be done in a specific order.

Steering shaft must be in the locked position.
Steering wheel must be straight
The shaft going into the steering box must have the correct preload on the bearing to prevent end play.
The adjustment screw must be adjusted so there is a slight tight spot at the exact center of travel.
The steering box must have a locking bolt installed to keep the box centered during instillation.
Last but not least, a good alignment AFTER all the above adjustments are made.

I am thinking that somewhere along the line something was not adjusted correctly and the boxes were just installed the way the old one came out. Then the alignment was done to make the steering wheel straight when the car was going down the road.

The first few things can be easily checked. Just remove the key and turn the steering wheel until it locks. Is the steering wheel straight? It should be.
Next unlock the steering and have someone turn the steering wheel back and forth through the play. You look very carefully at the shaft going into the steering box and see if you see any in/out motion. If you do, the box is not adjusted correctly.
The next step will be to remove the drain bolt from the steering box (you will lose some fluid) and with the steering wheel straight you should be able to see a hole up in the piston that moves back and forth in the box. This is where you insert a pointed bolt in the drain hole to hold the box in the centered position. At this point the front wheels should be straight.

The whole point of all this is that if the box is not centered when the car is moving straight, then there will be play in the steering.

I just did the reseal on my 500 that has a 420 steering box and went through all of these adjustments and found the steering shaft was not correct. It didn't lock with the steering wheel centered. I locked the steering shaft and changed the steering wheel so it was correct. I did all the adjustments to the box with it on the bench. Installed the centering bolt. Installed the box. Had my alignment man adjust the front end using the lock bolt in the box. It is a different car. One problem I had was in gusty winds, the car was hard to handle. Now you can't even feel them. It doesn't pull at all. Life is good.

Sorry for the long post. I am just trying to help. If the person installing the boxes isn't aware of all this, you will never get the problem fixed.

Paul

Hi Paul. Thank you for the lengthy post. I actually spoke with Christ @ C&M Hyrdraulics at length today. He is extremely knowledgeable in his craft and he brought up many of the same point as you. I will look more into this when the car is back. It is currently up at the mechanic's shop.

He did ask me where the box came from and the best answer I got from the shop was "a guy in Florida" and Chris new immediate who he was talking about---Atlantic Enterprises. Chris did not have many nice things to say about the quality of their work and I believe he said he would not be surprised if I got bad boxes from them. However he insisted that I check the same things as you mentioned and I will sometime next week.

The shop is going to get in touch with Atlantic and see what they have to say about all of this. I did recommend to them that they try out C&M, not sure if its what they will do or not but we'll see.

I know that in the future when I go to replace the gearbox on my 300SD (145K miles) I'll use a C&M box. The 300SD has been in the family since new and its gear box had a massive dead spot in the center. You can shake the wheel and look at input shaft move and see 0 movement in the pitman arm for a sizeable amount of wheel travel. I know when I changed out the fluid in the car a number of years ago it was horrible looking. I dont think it had ever been changed in the 30 years of ownership. The filter was horrid. Perhaps that lead to its death. Beyond that, I'm not sure what exactly the story is there but one day I'll get to it.

Chris also recommends that I use Dexron instead of modern Power Steering Fluid. Good deal to me.

Will report back when I heard/do more.

Right now, back to installing a/c on a Chevy R10 pickup.