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Old 07-11-2004, 10:42 PM
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This happened on my 82' Peugeot. I bought it in this condition for $200 in 94' and welded the SOB on and it lasted for 4 more years when I unloaded it for $750!

I guess this would not be a reccomendation for a 98' or newer MB?
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Old 07-23-2004, 04:26 PM
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ML320

My brother called me about noises from the pulley on his 99 ML320 which has about 60,000 miles. I though it may be the famous HB problem and pointed him to this thread. And of course it was the HB about to fall out.
Anyhow, he got the car to the dealer and they agreed to take care of it -The dealer was also trying to get their money back by recommending B service for $700.00 (which he just had done) - then recommending replacing some electrical wiring harness $250.00- he said no to both.

He'll get the car home tonight, so I'll follow up on it. The dealer is in Raleigh, NC.
I feel like I'm sitting on a time bomb with my 98 E320 approaching 60,000 mile also. Does any one know any dealer from SE florida would handle the HB mess as a good faith?

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Old 07-23-2004, 08:29 PM
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Re: ML320

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Anyhow, he got the car to the dealer and they agreed to take care of it -The dealer was also trying to get their money back by recommending B service for $700.00 (which he just had done) - then recommending replacing some electrical wiring harness $250.00- he said no to both.

The wiring harness they wanted to replace was probably the auxillary fan wiring harness. They have been upgraded along with the fuse due to air conditioniner failures due to the fuse blowing all the time. Your right, anyone driving one of these new V6's or V8's is driving a time bomb. The Mercedes Experience, Unlike Any Other
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Old 07-24-2004, 05:25 AM
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Who is the dealer in Raleigh, NC

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Jeffrey, is the dealer Leith Mercedes? I have had the same thing happen to me with the 2000 ML320 that they supplied. The service advisors there are very clever in the sense that they will take care of any warranty work without even raising an eyebrow, the HB, brake master cylinder and some small clip was replaced hassle free on that car but then they hammered us for a rear brake pad change and related stuff for $700.
I was not in Raleigh at the time and unable to do the work myself and Leith convinced my niece that the car needed new pads *immediately*, but when I asked if the wear indicator lite was blinking, she said *no*, then upon measuring the old pads, there was still 5mm friction material left, Leith's reasoning was that the pads would not have run until the next time the FSS lit up, which was set to 12 months on that car.
Well, they are there to make money, after all. No matter what the level of service or friendliness I find at any dealership, I still prefer to do my own repairs as far as possible or let a competent indie work on my car while I breath down his/her throat.
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Old 07-26-2004, 09:58 AM
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Yes, it is Leith Mercedes. My brother actually had the HB fixed+ new oil pan and drove out of there without any money out of his pocket.
Good thing he got to this site, then printed out all the pages in this thread to show the service manager. Of course, they are well aware of the problem.
Maybe we should have a campaign for the auxillary fan wiring harness?

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Old 07-26-2004, 10:31 AM
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Hello,
I think your brother needs to look for Mr. Donald McNeilly III at Leith Mercedes, he *was* always very helpful to customers to sort out this kind of stuff, like the W210 a/c evap replacements, wiring harness on the M104 and the HB issue on the M112,113 engines.
The trouble is, he has probably been promoted by now to keep him from giving all the freebies to customers.
He could go to the indies, one that comes to mind is JoeP, he is located behind Olde Raleigh Motors on Millbrook Road(Acme Motors?). Former partner Brian has moved *Behind the Star* out of Raleigh, the name of the place he moved to escapes me right now.
Hope that helps.
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Old 07-26-2004, 03:03 PM
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HB

Mr. nachi11744

My brother is in Raleigh, NC and his car HB is taken care of by Leith Mercedes out of warranty.
I am in Ft. Lauderdale, FL with my 98 E-320 approaching 60,000 miles but not sure where to go to get my HB fixed/replaced as a good faith?

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Old 07-26-2004, 10:12 PM
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Hello,
You could try the nearest dealer or the supplying dealer if you are the original owner to see if it will be a *good faith* or *secret warranty* repair. Failing that, use an indie to have the work done ASAP, rather than be towed in and then have it done *under duress*.
I think that MBUSA should be doing all these for free, the E320 was an expensive car to buy when new and this kind of failures are unheard of on the Mercedes that I have owned and/or driven for years.
Hope that is of some help, I am too far away(8604miles)to volunteer to do the repair for you!!
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Old 07-28-2004, 10:08 PM
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At 70,000 the dealer noticed the problem during waranty work and MB paid for the part and it cost me $90.00 for labor.
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Old 07-29-2004, 02:11 AM
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MBUSA sticks their head in the sand-AGAIN-

I've read dang near all of the post in the 27 some pages related to the HB problem.
I have a 99 w/the bad part number. Spoke w/the local dealer, they deny knowledge....they referred me to MBUSA. Just disconnected w/one of their phone monkeys who quite frankly did an admirable job of deflecting every point I made: Japan recalling all of their units; the NTHSA's investigation etc.
Bottom line, NO JOY.
Won't do me any good to take them to small claims court, the failure has yet to occur.
Perhaps those who assert it is the corporations, no government, who are running our lives.
OK...do I feel better? No not really. I still have a car we'd saved for years to purchase for it's realibility and safety profile only to end up w/a headache.
thanks for listening
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Old 07-29-2004, 06:15 PM
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08 faulty

I have a 2000 E320 4matic with an engine serial number prior to the change to the updated HB. Mine, however came from the factory with the updated 08 balancer!!. Just replaced it at 95,000 kms. as the rubber was coming out. I thought the 08's were supposed to have solved the problem!! Fortunately mine has the 160,000 extended warranty so no problems at the dealer, they were great.
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Old 07-30-2004, 08:40 PM
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Wow I was just told of this fourm.

We are orginal owners of a 1998 E 430 with 77,000 miles on it that hase every service performed at the local MB dealer.

We were shocked when we spent $3,000 last week replacing the Air Cond Compressor. Fornt brakes and rotors, valve cover gaskets,aux fan motor, and the harmonic balance ( under warrenty) one window motor.

I have had nothing like this on my BMW or any of the many American and Toyota's that I have owned in the last 25 years. I was really shocked at the cost and the failures of these parts.

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Old 07-31-2004, 08:33 AM
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I have had nothing like this on my BMW or any of the many American and Toyota's that I have owned in the last 25 years. I was really shocked at the cost and the failures of these parts.

Ray
Me either. Other than the fancy Star on the hood or in the grill these cars/trucks are nothing more than poorly manufactured, overpriced, status symbols. Good thing there a forums like this to vent on, because nobody else understands what someone that has a problematic Mercedes-Benz has to put up with. An embarassing purchase mistake that will never be repeated. Just my 2 cents worth.

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Old 07-31-2004, 06:40 PM
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Sorry to burst you're bubble with the "new" parts don't fail......I've replaced one on a 2003 W211 E500.

They are still failing but they are failing ALOT slower so they are now being picked up during servicing before they do any damage. The ones that are failing (rubber hanging out a bit, pulley no longer spiiner straight, but not yet failed) are beinge seen on any NA M112/113.

You'll be pleased to know that we're starting to see this fault infrequently and the upper sump replacement rate has dropped from one every 2 weeks to one every few months.

It's just unfortunate that when they do fail that they cause such expensive damage. When they fail on older holden/gm or fords they just get VERY noisy but no damage is done (except to the drive belt)
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Old 08-01-2004, 11:41 AM
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I don't have one of these cars, nor have I worked on one or seen the problem.
However I do work or cars for a living and want to shed some light on the problem.
In the US, all recalls are safty related. Safty related means many prople have been killed, and the famalies have sued and recieved huge settlements. Just because a problem could be safty related doesn't mean the manufacturer will recall it before it happens. In Japan, cars are recalled because of a defect in the manufactur of the car or a part used in the manufacture. SO the MBs were recalled in Japan, and not in the US. MB chose to do as the other car manufacturers do in the country they are sold in.
By the way, I have seen this problem on quite a few Jeep vehicles but found the problem before it caused a problem. The problem is the belt pully is mounted in the rubber, and eventually rips the rubber loose. It takes quite a bit of power to run the alt, A/C, wp, ap, p/s and whatever, so the rubber connection between the crankshaft hub and the belt pully finally gives up.
They can change the numbers from now to eternaty and won't fix the problem until they connect the pully directly to the crankshaft.
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