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Originally Posted by cmac2012
The interview I spoke of was a good one, as JD attested to. The man gave examples of how gaining a detainee's trust can get one much good intel.
Torture has, I'm guessing, a 2% chance of getting useful intel and a 99% chance of further alienating the very people whose cooperation we need to bring this thing to some kind of useful resolution.
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Sometimes, sometimes not. Taking time to gain trust can degrade the intel.
How did you come out with 2%? Why not 0.5%? Why not 10%? Still with that "hearts and mind" crap, aren't you? It hasn't worked before, has it?
Edit: Know why the "hearts and mind" crap hasn't worked? Here is my take on it. You are trying to make something that works in a certain frame work in all frames. You can talk to me all day long about your museums, art galleries, philosophy, etc, etc. However, your gibberish will be falling on deaf ears because I am being bombed out of my gourd. Also, my kids are starving and life is precarious at best. First things first. Get the place stabilized. After that, you can win all the hearts and minds. Till then, you have NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, etc, etc. When you have stability, you can debate the finer points of morality, democracy, etc, etc. Till then, all you have is "blah, blah, blah". That is what any of that stuff sounds like when my belly is rumbling. That is what it sounds like when the bombs are going off around me.
Know why as Americans, we can do all this crap of being merciful, etc,etc? Because our lives are not YET under the gun all day long. As such, we can delve in all the frivolous activities. Like I said, do whatever it takes to stabilize the situation. After that, we can discuss how you want to win the hearts and minds. Before stability comes, all you have is just meaningless sounds.