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Answer: Yes, there are mechanics who specialize in Bio-fuels issues in the UK, and can easily deal with your E300D. http://www.dieselveg.com/ Question: 2) Will SVO damage my rubber fuel lines? Answer: No, SVO is clean virgin oil that has not been used. Yes, WVO = Waste Vegetable Oil will break down the factory hoses and O-rings throughout the system, + needs to be filtered, de-watered, and heated for most climates. Question: 3) Is rubber used on the 1997 E300D fuel pump? Answer: Yes, in the fuel pre-heater, lift pump, and injection pump delivery valves. Question: 4) Can I protect my fuel pump from Bio-diesel? Answer: NO, the O-rings and hoses must be changed to "Viton. Question: 5) Will SVO damage my fuel pump? Answered in question #2. Question: 6) Where exactly is rubber used on a Mercedes 1997 P reg E300D? Answer: Read through this thread, it is answered many times. Question: 7) Will replacing the fuel lines with plastic or metal pipe improve my situation? Answer: No, you can NOT replace rubber O-rings with metal. the O-rings and hoses must be changed to "Viton". Question: 8) Have I over looked anything that may have contributed to my SVO problem. Answer: Lack of personal research/education on the alternative fuel topic before purchasing the vehicle. Note: It sounds like you are using WVO = Waste Vegetable Oil, not SVO which is clean virgin oil that has not been used. I am sad to note that rather than research/study the issues, you have copied this post to several other forums around the world, perhaps hoping for a magic cure. Here are websites with all the data you need... http://www.vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum/viewthread.php?tid=14197 http://www.greaseworks.org/svo http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_svo.html http://www.greasecar.com/kit_detail.cfm?prodID=23 http://www.goodgrease.com/buy-sell-classifieds/fuel-tank-selector-valve-viton-seal-svowvobiodiesel http://www.biofuelsforum.com/svo_users/6616-viton_hydroflouric_acid.html http://www.google.com/search?q=veg+oil+viton&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1&rlz= http://www.votechusa.com/system.htm |
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1. Welcome to the forum.
2. You will find that the search button is your friend. Look up and to the right approximately 2.54 centimeters below Shop Forum. 3. There is tons of information on biodiesel on this and other sites. 4. Please don't use biodiesel. 5. And veggie oil in the same sentence. It keeps the myth alive that they are the same.
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Hunter I seen a post where you said hydraulic oil can be used. (not sure how to highlight and copy yet ) If so what needs to be done to the system?
I work on hydraulics therefore having an unlimited supply of it. 10 -20 gallons a week. It would be waste oil but the systems I get it from have a high filtration on them. Our test show the oil is cleaner in these systems than when it leaves the container. What percentage can you run ? To think I dump it into a tank at the local hydraulic shops and they get paid to have it hauled off .
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NEVER use oil from metal grinding or cutting machines, the micro abrasive particles will wreck your injection pump in minutes/hours. (this includes differential/gearbox oil). Yes, you can run hydraulic oil. * If it is clean. * If it is not contaminated with water. Viscosity is the critical factor: * Thin it with Diesel or Kerosene. * I have run 100% hydraulic oil in the summer, and 50% winter -20F. * The injection pump is notably quieter. * It may or may not smoke slightly more, depending upon the oil and how well you match diesel fuel viscosity. Warning, Thick oil can cause: * Incorrect lift pump valve function and injection pump Starvation. * Injector and pre-chamber coking. |
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Thanks for the info you have me grinning ear to ear !! The oil we use is a ISO 5w20 or straight 10w It comes out of Aerial devices and digger derricks filtered down to 10 microns . I'm guessing just run a pump with a filter from the barrel into my tank ? I didnt see anything about a spare tank . Did you notice any difference in power at 100 % ? I would ask about the mpg but I imagine this was run on a closed private track correct ? wink wink nod nod ! Do you replace rubber with viton ? Im guessing lubricity is the least of your worries. Have a great day !
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http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/ No need for a second tank, with the mass of plumbing/valves/controls. Running: * Virgin spindle oil, I notice more power from 50-100%, MPG 28-30. * Virgin type-F ATF, exact same power as diesel (a bit more smoke) at 100%, MPG 1-1.5 lower. * Virgin power steering or hydraulic oil, exact same power as diesel (slightly more smoke) at 100%, depending on brand MPG 28-30, MPG is better from 50-75%. At 100% Used/filtered oil has variable results, more smoke than virgin oil, MPG 2-2.5 lower on average. I have not needed Viton hose, these are petrochemical or petrochemical compatible oils. Finding a trustworthy source of used hydraulic oil is the biggest difficulty. |
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From your results these oils seem to run better than SVO especially if you dont need the second tank or hose change out. As far as a reliable source theres a 50 gallon barrel on the back of my truck that stays pretty much full. I dump it in the hydraulic shops waste tank and the renderer dosent like water in it so I keep it water tight. I have 68 trucks I PM every six months and change oil once a year on most. The average tank holds 30 gallons with the diggers holding 50-100. I think I got the supply part covered. I checked the state of Tx waste oil handling manual the hydraulic shop has and it states its better to incinerate waste oil on site than to have it hauled off. ( on site may be the catch ) "240D incinerator " Just doing my part !!! I'll try it and post results. Thanks again!
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Hello, I am somewhat new to this Forum, although I have used the main forum for some time.
I had converted my car November 2007, and have been learning more and more about this car and it's possibilities since 2005. I perform all maintnence myself, with much support of many forums and communities such as this. I hope to contriubte as much as I can as well. I have a virtually endless supply of low use, WVO to burn in my car, heat my home, and soon, generate my own electricity. I have just found out I have access to THOUSANDS of gallons of Used Turbine Oil, GST 32, coming out of GE Frame 5, Frame 7 and ABB 11-DM Gas Turbines. Assuming the oil is "useable" (no heavy metals, water etc.) after testing, and if I could match Diesels' viscosity, would this be a viable fuel source? I know from putting this stuff in the incinerator, it burns really hot. |
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Heating will lower the viscosity significantly, if perhaps you had a heated fuel system and filtered the oil very well....
Diesel has a kinematic viscosity of 1.3 to 4.5 at 40C GTS 32 has a KV or 30 @ 40C and 5.2 @100C There is a chart showing the relation of temp to viscosity of common oils at http://www.frybrid.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7687 but it is important to remember that there are other factors such as calorific value of the fuel and how the fuel cracks in the combustion chamber. Viscosity only relates to the level of atomization and the lubrication provided, some fuels do not require the same level of intimate contact with 02 to combust well. It is also worth noting that the viscosity of today's ULSD is very low and is likely damaging your older engine. Many in the marine world are now blending 5% motor oil with thier ULSD to restore lost lubricity - this of course raises the viscosity. Lube oil and exhaust gas analysis are the only real indicators.
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Undergraduate thesis paper by Ohio State physics major on the Waste Vegetable Oil as a Diesel Fuel. 1977, coincidentally.
http://etd.ohiolink.edu/send-pdf.cgi/Silvis%20Thomas%20William.pdf?acc_num=osu1171663355
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Electric Ted Morro Bay California
I knew him in the 70s.He had a 50ish diesel Benz,and back then he ran grease. Then he started fixing anything electrical,and Becker radios.
Thats when fuel was cheap,but he knew then that oil,would not last.
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Wow
I haven't checked out this portion of the forum for a couple of months. It has blossomed! That's great.
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wvo filtration
Gentlemen,
I am thinking of upgrading my WVO filtration process by using a centrifuge. Does anyone have any first hand experience to pass on? Yes, I have watched the YouTubes. Better yet, is there anyone in the Las Vegas NV area that would like to combine efforts in hopes to fully utilize a centrifuge? It does appear to be an expensive proposition. Thank You, Joe Marroso |
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centrifuge
Joe, I don't have any words of wisdom here but, like you, am most interested. Am anxious to see what you learn. Something about my makeup prevents me from wanting to buy a storebought centrifuge. I'm sure there's a good way to make one from junkyard parts -- and that's my goal. Hope you learn how and can share that knowlege. Will do the same when I learn.
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