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aklim 04-24-2008 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by thesst (Post 1834458)
Huge electric battery added to a gasoline car = extra veggie tank added to a diesel car. Both forms utilize more power via recycling (assuming WVO use in the veggie system).

Battery gets a charge from energy that it got from fuel it purchased while other is equivalent to running Off Road Fuel.

aklim 04-24-2008 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by thesst (Post 1834467)
Look at the states that have SVO tax exemptions: did these come about from a bunch of guys that just mailed in their taxes,

or from the guys that said "I don't think I should have to pay tax on MY fuel" and then DID something about it?

They have exemptions because it is too difficult to tax. Should it become more economical to tax, you bet there will be a tax on it

So why don't you tell the IRS "I don't think I should have to pay tax on MY earnings"? Following your argument, we will be a tax exempt state too, right?

thesst 04-24-2008 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1834473)
They have exemptions because it is too difficult to tax. Should it become more economical to tax, you bet there will be a tax on it

So why don't you tell the IRS "I don't think I should have to pay tax on MY earnings"? Following your argument, we will be a tax exempt state too, right?

The fact is, if EVERYONE did that, we WOULD be a tax exempt state.

People pay taxes because the IRS employs strong-arm tactics to keep everyone in line. Naturally, though, this will never happen.

This is a tangent, but the fact is, the income tax is completely illegal. Anyone else here seen "American: Freedom to Fascism"?

aklim 04-24-2008 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thesst (Post 1834497)
The fact is, if EVERYONE did that, we WOULD be a tax exempt state.

Doubtful. It would be a "nothing" area since they won't have any money to do anything with.

John Schroader 04-24-2008 03:11 PM

Yet another quandry. In Kentucky, we cannot voluntarily pay a highway usage tax. To be legal, I must apply for a liscense as a fuel distrubutor (though I only make it for my own use), be bonded, pay monthly fee, be inspected by safety guys (aarghh), and on and on ------ Not quite ready for that. At this point in time, I can feel good about 1) reducing emission 2) not feeding the greedy bullies 3) ultimately supporting farmers in the US. Those warm fuzzy feelings help me deal with the guilt of not being able to pay my share of taxes (realistically)

aklim 04-24-2008 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by John Schroader (Post 1834513)
I must apply for a liscense as a fuel distrubutor (though I only make it for my own use), be bonded, pay monthly fee, be inspected by safety guys (aarghh),

You want to set up a hot dog stand and you have to fill out all sorts of paperwork. What of it? I suppose you would like it to be one where you tell them things are ok and you both go on your merry way? I just went thru a business startup and I know it is a bit of a hassle but such is life. It would be nice if I could just set up my shop, do as I pleased and send them a few bucks once in a while but that's life.

Graplr 04-24-2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1834471)
Battery gets a charge from energy that it got from fuel it purchased while other is equivalent to running Off Road Fuel.

No, that is incorrect. The battery gets its charge from the (de)acceleration of the car, not from the fuel itself.

I know you will say the fuel is what put the car in motion but the battery is not being charged because of fuel use, simply because of (de)acceleration of the vehicle.

Graplr 04-24-2008 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim (Post 1834520)
You want to set up a hot dog stand and you have to fill out all sorts of paperwork. What of it? I suppose you would like it to be one where you tell them things are ok and you both go on your merry way? I just went thru a business startup and I know it is a bit of a hassle but such is life. It would be nice if I could just set up my shop, do as I pleased and send them a few bucks once in a while but that's life.

But what if I set up a hot dog stand to feed only myself and do not sell to others? :D

aklim 04-24-2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Graplr (Post 1834535)
No, that is incorrect. The battery gets its charge from the (de)acceleration of the car, not from the fuel itself.

I know you will say the fuel is what put the car in motion but the battery is not being charged because of fuel use, simply because of (de)acceleration of the vehicle.

Yes, it is incorrect but I think you know what I mean even when I don't spell it all out. :D

aklim 04-24-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Graplr (Post 1834538)
But what if I set up a hot dog stand to feed only myself and do not sell to others? :D

Should there be a provision for that, probably. There should be some way they can tax you for the road tax and leave you alone except for verification and safety.

Jordan G 04-24-2008 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Graplr (Post 1834538)
But what if I set up a hot dog stand to feed only myself and do not sell to others? :D

Fine, you're not allowed to drive over any of the bridges we design:D.

aklim 04-24-2008 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan G (Post 1834570)
Fine, you're not allowed to drive over any of the bridges we design:D.

Is that a threat? MN just had a bridge collapse last year. He might not want to drive over any bridge at this point. Ask those who were on the bridge.

Jordan G 04-24-2008 03:52 PM

maybe it fell down because there wasn't enough money to repair it properly because people are skirting their taxes????


Just kidding, just kidding, greasers.....just trying to further the madness. I can't believe Brian C. hasn't locked this biotch down yet. I suppose it's because Rich C hasn't chimed in it:)

And the bridge collapse isn't a funny topic, by the way - I wasn't trying to make light of the subject, believe me - it's every engineers/inspectors nightmare.

Glowplug 04-24-2008 03:55 PM

Aklims Hot Dog stand. LOL !


No seriously, just start taxing ammunition right Aklim, there should be some sort of "potential death tax" on ammo. I'm sure thats a tax you would disagree with.

aklim 04-24-2008 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Glowplug (Post 1834592)
No seriously, just start taxing ammunition right Aklim, there should be some sort of "potential death tax" on ammo. I'm sure thats a tax you would disagree with.

Not every bullet results in a death. Every revolution of the wheel does result in damage to the road.

There is already a tax on ammo used for killing. It involves several years of "payment" which is why so many people are alive today. come to think of it, that is a bad thing, isn't it? So many mouths to feed.


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