Does it cost allot to keep a Rolls Royce Silver Shadow series II 1975 model? Its just that i found one to buy and just wondering if they brake down allot or are they reliable like the s-class?
thanks for your advice!!!

i dont really know.

but i have looked under the hood on one once. some things looked very different from any other car i have seen.

and there is probably not a forum like this to turn to for help.

i think the basic quality is very good though.

tom w

If you have never worked on a Rolls Royce, and are not familiar, I do not reccommend the purchase of one. It is not a matter of how much it costs to fix, as the lady on the hood, demands that you spend every dime you own on it.They're very reliable vehicles, but very costly, and you absolutely have to find someone thats familiar with working on the vehicles, not to mention the vehicles take many special tools, and you need to own a set of british standard wrenches and tools.

Is all the chrome and stainless steel in good shape? That alone costs a fortune, but they're badass when they're fixed up right.

Posted on behalf of Jon Garvey, Rolls Royce Tech

What is this? the forum of Lost Souls?they,like many expensive "well engineered cars"like the Aston Martin Lagonda were bought by people who could afford to have them gone over twice a year and to whom money was not an issue in that regard.

Had one,worked on a few..Citroen-based hydraulics,complicated triple circuit brakes that always need adjustment,why the parts alone for rebuilding the system were $3,200.00 and this was 10 years ago!

Let's rather not get into the suspension and the $elf leveling unit!!!

There are plenty of Shadows of the '72-'77 vintage around here in the $7,000-$12,000 range,the rubber seals all leak,leaving dry rot and a horrible musty odor inside,most other things are neglected as well.

In closing,every car has components that will,if neglected wear out and fail,it's simply that some are more complex and expensive than others.

It's a question you must answer yourself. Look through the RR Forumhttp://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/index.php If you find the problems their owners are having and can understand some of the components they are writing about - maybe a RR is your ticket. Love the car but I'm sticking with handling vacuum problems.

As much as I love them, they are junk cars. Member whunter can answer any questions you have about them. I sugguest you send him a PM or call him before decide anything.

Does it cost allot to keep a Rolls Royce Silver Shadow series II 1975 model? Its just that i found one to buy and just wondering if they brake down allot or are they reliable like the s-class?
thanks for your advice!!!
I LOVE Rolls-Royce and Bentley, however they can bankrupt the uninformed.
Study the vehicle you desire, educate yourself.
There are NO stupid questions, even if you think you know the correct answer, on Rolls-Royce and Bentley it is probably different.


A few prices to consider...
The rear axle half shafts are $2,000.00 USD each.
All wiring is British automotive standard code, this means don't allow unqualified others to touch it.
Rebuilding the front steering suspension can run $14,000.00 USD.
Repairing the hydraulic system averages $8,000.00 USD.
A rebuilt engine averages $28,000.00 plus shipping/handling/taxes/import fees.

If you are still seriously considering a Silver Shadow, you need the following data.
Please print this, and store it in a safe location.


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Aaron Radiators Co. Ltd., UK http://www.aaronradiator.co.uk/
Auto Makes & Models - Makes and Models http://www.auto-makesnmodels.com/
A.G.M. RR&B Exhaust Systems, UK http://archive.scoot.co.uk/agm_exhaust/
Borg Warner Auto Boxes, (UK) http://www.insites.co.uk/classic/jaguar/gwhitehouse
Barons (Auctioneers) Ltd http://www.barons-auctions.com/
Brian Thompson (UK) 01487 822488
Brabo Rolls Parts (Holland) http://www.brabo-rolls-parts.nl
Brabo Parts, NL http://extranet.brabocars.com/
Bruce Ross Pty Ltd, (Australia) http://www.pip.com.au/~bruceross
Burlen Fuel Systems, (UK) http://www.burlen.co.uk
cartalk.cars.com/ (USA) http://cartalk.cars.com/info/#repairing
Carrington, (UK) http://www.darkforce.com/royce
Classic Car Connection (Germany) http://www.ClassicCarConnection.de
Chris Lee's Mobile Workshop, UK, http://archive.scoot.co.uk/chris-lees/
Classic Car Data http://www.ccdata.com/
Coldwell Engineering (pre-war) http://www.coldwellengineering.com/
Everything Automotive http://www.asa.servesyou.net/
Flying Spares http://www.flyingspares.com
fossilcars.com http://www.fossilcars.com/links/classiccarrestoration.html
Garage De Vaal The Netherlands http://www.demascotte.nl/
Healey Bros (Auto Engineers) Ltd http://www.healeybros.co.uk/
Hyperion Parts USA http://hyperionparts.com
Hemmings Motor News http://www.hmn.com
Introcar: England 0208 546 2027 struan@introcar.co.uk
Introcar Online Sales http://script3.ftech.net/~1ntrocar/acatalog/sitemap.html
Jack Barclay UK 020 7978 2223
Kuiper & Son, NL http://www.kuiperenzoon.nl/eng/index1.html
Magrathea, inc. http://www.magratheainc.com/
motorzoo.com/ http://www.motorzoo.com/Links.html
MotorAge online http://www.motorage.com/
MotorAge ASE library online http://store.yahoo.com/motorage/ind.html
National Institute for Automotive Service Excellence http://www.asecert.org/
N Sandell Repairing http://www.nsandell.fsbusiness.co.uk/
National Automotive Service Task Force (NASTF) http://www.iatn.net/nastf/oematrix.html
NAPA Institute of Automotive Technology http://www.niat-training.com/
NBS Supply Service, Australia http://homepage.powerup.com.au/~nbsserv/index.html
Oregon Crewe Cutters http://rolsfix.com/
SAE International http://www.sae.org/
The Service Technicians Society (STS) http://www.sts.sae.org/jsp/jsps/stsindex.jsp
The Frawley Company 138 Main St., Parkesburg, PA 19365 610-857-1099.
Tony Handler Inc. (USA) Phone: 310-473-7773 or fax: 310-479-1197
The Collette Rolls-Royce website http://www.rolls-royce.150m.com/
The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, Inc. http://www.autoalliance.org/
Phantom III engine rebuild photo diary http://www.boddice.co.uk/index1.htm
Parts Find, AUSTRALIA http://www.partsfind.com
Realcar http://www.realcar.co.uk/
Ristes: England (0115) 978 5834 info@ristes.zee-web.co.uk
Robison Service http://www.robisonservice.com/
Rolls Royce/Bentley Parts http://hotrodparts.com/
Rolls-Royce & Bentley Information Exchange http://www.darkforce.com/royce/
Rolls-Royce Motor Cars (UK) http://www.rolls-roycemotorcars.com
Scotts Old Auto Rubber (go to "other" for RR & B) Australia http://www.scottsoldautorubber.com.au
Sport & Classic Car Company http://www.britishcarpartsco.com
Woodtrim restoration, (UK) http://www.insites.co.uk
W. G. Pullar Workshop, UK, http://www.williamgpullar.co.uk/
William Rau USA, http://www.rau-autowood.com/bentley_entry.htm

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Clubs:

RROC, Rolls - Royce Owners' Club (USA) http://www.rroc.org/
Rolls-Royce Centennial World Tour 2004 (USA) http://www.rroc.org/worldtour/
The Rolls-Royce Foundation (USA) http://www.rollsroycefoundation.com/
Rolls-Royce Silver Wraith II (USA) http://home.att.net/~rollsroyce/
The Silver Ghost Association USA http://www.rroc.org/regions/sga/sga.htm
Rolls-Royce Silver Cloud, the Phantom V, and the Bentley S Series Society USA http://www.cloudsociety.org
RREC, Rolls - Royce Enthusiasts' Club (UK) http://www.rrec.co.uk/
Midland Rolls-Royce Club. (UK) http://www.midlandrrclub.co.uk/
BDC, Bentley Drivers Club, Ltd. (UK) http://www.bdcl.co.uk/
The Brooklands Society (UK) http://www.hartlana.co.uk/index.htm
Rolls-Royce Owners' Club of (Australia) http://www.rroc.org.au/
RROC (A) Victoria Branch (Australia) http://www.users.bigpond.com./stu.styles/rollsroyce/index.html
RROC (A) SA Branch (Australia) http://www.home.aone.net.au/rroca_sa/FEATURES.htm
Sir Henry Royce Foundation (Australia) http://www.Royce.org.au
Rolls-Royce and Bentley Club of the Netherlands http://www.demascotte.nl/
New Zealand Rolls Royce & Bentley Club http://www.nzrrbc.co.nz/
Japan Rolls-Royce & Bentley Club http://www.rrbc.jp/

Other car clubs:

MBCOA, Mercedes Benz Club of America, Inc. http://www.mbca.org/
JCNA, Jaguar Clubs of North America http://www.jcna.com/
CCCA, Classic Car Club of America http://www.classiccarclub.org/
The Great British Car Ring http://x.webring.com/hub?ring=britcar
Australian Historic Motoring Federation http://Ahmf.org.au

The Phantom III Technical Society Mr Mark Tuttle,
10646 Art Street, Shadow Hills, California, CA 91040, USA
Tel: + 1 (818) 352 6081, Fax: + 1 (818) 352 6082

Literature:

Bentley Magazine http://www.bentleymagazine.com/
books4cars.com/ http://www.books4cars.com/
RR & B Photos, Reports and Books http://www.rrab.com/
motorbooks.com http://www.motorbooks.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/mbi.woa/wa/sendToPage?community=British
Chater's Motoring Booksellers http://www.chaters.co.uk/search_quick.cfm?cfid=1925370&cftoken=73183563

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Forum's
Rolls Royce Foundation's Public Forum http://www.rroc.org/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=4
The old public forum is at http://www.virtualforum.com/forums/Index.cfm?CFApp=12
Swammelstein Forum http://www.swammelstein.nl/forum_frm.htm

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AT last an authorized ROLLS-ROYCE and Bentley dealership service department that will rebuild the components from your postwar or modern ROLLS-ROYCE or Bentley using factory trained technicians, genuine ROLLS-ROYCE or Bentley parts and special tools. We have provided this service to our customers for more than 30 years, call for a quote. Foreign Motors West, 508-650-0020, Natick, MA.
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Appraisals - CRANBURY, NJ
A BENTLEY, ROLLS-ROYCE appraisal consultant: don't buy blindly, pre-purchase inspections available to evaluate the mechanics & authenticity of your future ROLLS-ROYCE, Bentley automobile anywhere. Associated with the marque since 1965, member R-ROC 35 years, free phone consultation. 609-655-8350, cell: 908-202-0559.
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HOUSTON, TX
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handbooks - Rolls-Royce VILLA RICA, GA
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mixed - Hanover, ON
ORIGINAL literature: Rolls-Royce: Instructions for Rolls-Royce Cars 1911; Instructions for the 20 hp Car 1923; Handbook 40-50 (PIII) 1937; Handbook of the 25/30 Wraith; Oldsmobile: 1902 sales catalogue, 1903 sales catalogue, 1902-03 repair parts catalogue, 1899 Olds Gas Engine Works, 5 pages devoted to Trap; all priced to sell; Hershey WAV7. 519-364-3847, ON, Canada.
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literature - CAMARILLO, CA
BRITISH car literature: Austin, Austin-Healey, Bentley, Hillman, Jaguar, Lotus, MG, Morris, Rolls-Royce, Rover, Sunbeam & Triumph, SASE for list, specify make. Auto World Books, Box 562, Camarillo, CA 93011, PH/FAX: 805-987-5570.
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Oregon Crewe Cutters Inc
1665 Redwood Ave
Grants Pass, OR 97527
United States
541-479-5663
Fax: 541-479-6339
www.rollsfix.com
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5 pm. World's largest stock of used parts for post-war Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars. Technical advice and personalized service. Web site: www.rollsfix.com


Tony Handler Inc
2028 Cotner Ave
Los Angeles, CA 90025
United States
310-473-7773
Fax: 310-444-9976
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 6 pm, Saturday-Sunday by appointment. World's largest stock of used parts for post-war Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars. Technical advice and personalized service. Restoration candidates and rebuildable Rolls-Royce and Bentleys. Web site: www.rollsfix.com


Rolls-Royce of Beverly Hills
11401 West Pico Blvd
Los Angeles, CA 90064
800-321-9792 310-477-4262
Fax: 310-473-7498
smrr64@aol.com
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5:30 pm. Specializing in Rolls-Royce and Bentley parts of all years. We have recently started handling parts for pre WW II models too. Web site: www.rollsroycebeverlyhills.com


PWTG CORP
5130 S VALLEY VIEW BL, STE 100
LAS VEGAS, NV 89118
702-895-9350
ROLLS-ROYCE & BENTLEY Parts, Service, Sales, Restoration 702-433-2292 vegasrolls.com


MOTORING INVESTMENTS
7200 STRAWBERRY RD
SUMMERFIELD, NC 27358
336-643-3340
glrockson@aol.com
Rolls-Royce & Bentleys 1992 Silver Spur II, 1991 Bentley Mulsanne S 2 1991 Silver Spur IIs, 1990 Bentley Turbo R 1989 Bentley Turbo R, 1981 Silver Spur 1978 Bentley T-2


FC Kerbeck
Rt 73 & Front St
Palmyra, NJ 08065
United States
800-537-2325
FC Kerbeck, Rolls-Royce, Bentley & Lamborghini Factory Authorized Dealer. The ultimate source for the ultimate motorcars. Route 73, Palmyra, New Jersey 08065, PH: 800-KERBECK (537-2325). Contact Joe Innaurato or Paul Wayne.


The Museum of Science & Industry in Manchester
Liverpool Rd Castlefield
Manchester, M34FP
United Kingdom
44(0)161-832-2244
Fax: 44(0) 161-834-5135
curatorial@mussci.u-net.com
www.mussci.org.uk
Open daily 10 am to 5 pm. The museum is based in the world's first passenger railway station dating from 1930. Exhibits include working stationary steam engines, land and air transport, industrial and scientific collections, all related to Manchester's industrial past. Manchester made vehicles including early Rolls-Royce and Crosleys. Web site: www.mussci.org.uk


Replacement Parts Co
PO Box 152
Villa Rica, GA 30180
United States
770-459-0040
EW ROLLS-ROYCE/BENTLEY PARTS World's Largest Stock of Parts 1947 through 1980, also stocks of 1981 onward Trim, Lenses, Weatherstrip & Seals Water Pumps & Starters Replacement Parts Co PO Box 152, Villa Rica, GA 30180 770-459-0040


Jersey Motor Museum
St Peter's Village
Jersey, JE3 7AG
United Kingdom
01534-482966
Open March-late October daily 10 am to 5 pm. Veteran and vintage cars. Allied and German military vehicles of WW II, aero engines, models, memorabilia, and accessory displays. Cars on display: Rolls-Royce Phantom III used by General Montgomery, al Sir Winston Churchill's car.

Vintage Restorations
The Old Bakery
Windmill Street, Tunbridge Wells
Kent, TN2 4UU,
England
UK 1892-525-899
Fax: 1892-525499
www.mgcars.org.uk/vr/
Mail order and open shop by appointment only. Specializing in the complete restoration, supply and fabrication of instruments and dashboard accessories, mostly for European sports and exotic cars such as Alfa Romeo, Alvis, Aston Martin, Bentley, Bugatti, Ferrari, Maserati, MG, Rolls-Royce and Riley. MasterCard and Visa accepted. Send for leaflet or look us up on the web site: www.mgcars.org.uk/vr/


Dave's Auto Restoration
2285 Rt 307 E
Jefferson, OH 44047
United States
216-858-2227
Fax: 216-858-2227
davesauto@knownet.com
Open shop. Monday-Friday 8:30 am to 5:30 pm. Specializing in automotive upholstery for all makes and models, Porsche, Jaguar, Mercedes, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Packard, Ferrari, Pierce-Arrow, Duesenberg and Auburn Cord, from 1900 to present. Reconditioned Porsche Targa tops by mail order.


Asom Electric
1204 McClellan Dr
Los Angeles, CA 90025
United States
310-820-4457
Fax: 310-820-5908
Auto electrical rebuilding for all Bosch, Lucas, Delco, French Motorola. Deal in Jaguar, Rolls-Royce, BMW, Range Rover, Mercedes-Benz.


M & T Manufacturing Co
30 Hopkins Lane
Peace Dale, RI 02883
United States
401-789-0472
Fax: 401-789-5650
Mail order only. Monday-Friday 9 am to 5 pm. Manufacturer of wooden top bows for classic convertible cars including VW, Jaguar, Mercedes, Rolls-Royce, old Fords and others. Also manufacturer of convertible hold-down cables. Distributor of domestic and foreign convertible tops and top cables.


Wood Excel Ltd
1545 Green Hill Rd
Collegeville, PA 19426
610-584-1725
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 10 am to 6 pm. Repair veneer and refinish wood in automobiles including Rolls-Royce, Jaguar, Mercedes-Benz, Packard, Cadillac, Lincoln, etc. If possible, one piece is given free before any business is done.


The Brassworks
289 Prado Rd
San Louis Obispo, CA 93401
United States
800-342-6759
Fax: 805-544-5615
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5 pm. Manufactures all foreign and domestic radiators, 1890s-up. Model T to Rolls-Royce and everything in between. All work guaranteed. Ship worldwide.


Sotheby's Motor Cars
1334 York Ave
New York, NY 10021
United States
212-606-7920
Fax: 212-606-7886
sothebys.com
International auction sales of vintage, classic, sports and racing automobiles. World auction records achieved for Duesenberg, Packard, Rolls-Royce, Bentley and Ferrari. All inquiries welcome. Web site: sothebys.com


Bramhall Classic Autos
14 Goodmark Pl
Toronto, ON M9W 6R1
Canada
416-675-0220
Fax: 416-675-7021
bramclas@idirect.com
Cars, parts and restorations. Specialists in Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Jaguar, Ferrari and classic Mercedes-Benz and Porsche.


Atlantic Enterprises
221 Strand Industrial Dr
Little River, SC 29566
United States
843-399-7565
Fax: 843-399-4600
atlantic-ent.com
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5 pm. Specializing in rebuilt rack and pinion steering assemblies for Jaguar, Aston Martin, Jensen, Triumph, Rover, Rolls-Royce, Bentley. Web site: atlantic-ent.com


Charles S Crail Automobiles
36A Calle Cesar Chavez
Santa Barbara, CA 93103
United States
805-568-1934
Fax: 805-568-1533
Auto sales for pre and post war classic European marques such as Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Delahaye, Delage, Aston Martin, etc.


Motor Foundry & Tooling Inc
7382 Doniphan Dr
Canutillo, TX 79835-6601
915-877-3343
Fax: 915-877-7071
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5 pm. Specializing in Chrysler, Cord, Auburn, Cadillac, Packard, Buick, Duesenberg, Rolls-Royce, Pierce-Arrow, Peerless, Stutz, trucks and tractors. Deals in exhaust manifolds, cylinder heads, blocks, water pumps, light brackets, step plates, window frames, door/window handles, gear cases, brake drums. Wax investment, plaster, dry/green sand castings. Alloys: aluminum, zinc-3, bronze, cast iron, stainless steel and steel.


Glazier Pattern & Coachworks
3720 Loramie-Washington Rd
Houston, OH 45333
United States
937-492-7355
Fax: 937-492-9987
Mail order and open shop by appointment only. Complete new wood for all years Chrysler Town & Country; complete restorations. Structural and concours quality interior woodwork for coachbuilt classics. Rebuild, restore or remanufacture damaged or missing parts. Specialize in Rolls-Royces, Bentleys, Chrysler T&C, etc. Award winning complete restorations.


Jack's Wholesale Division
250 N Robertson Blvd, Ste 405
Beverly Hills, CA 90211-1793
United States
310-839-9417
Fax: 310-839-1046
www.jwdlimosales.com
Lincoln and Cadillac limousines, Stutz Blackhawk, Rolls-Royce. Web site: www.jwdlimosales.com


bentleydriversclub.com
23238 Erwin St
Woodland Hills, CA 91367
United States
818-887-6557
Fax: 818-346-3627
bentleydriversclub.com
Mail order only. Rolls-Royce, Bentley automobiles and unusual collectibles for all years and models. Web site: bentleydriversclub.com


Vantage Motorworks inc
1898 NE 151 St
N Miami, FL 33162
United States
305-940-1161
Fax: 305-949-7481
Open shop only. Monday-Saturday 8 am to 5 pm. Rolls-Royce/Bentley sales, service, restoration for postwar Rolls-Royce and Bentleys, particular emphasis on S/Cloud series, 1956-1967.


Mercedes-Benz Service by Angela & George/ABS Exotic Repair Inc
700 N Andrews Ave
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33304
United States
954-566-7785
Fax: 954-522-0087
Open shop only. Monday-Friday 8:30 am to 7 pm, Saturday 8 am to 12 pm. Specialize in Mercedes-Benz, Jaguar and Rolls-Royce, all models, years. Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar service and parts. Classes for Mercedes-Benz and Jaguar owners. Benz Smart and Jag Smart are held monthly. We offer 24 hour service, our pager number is 954-390-1993. We also sell our private collection of Mercedes-Benz.


Motorcar Gallery Inc
715 N Federal Hwy
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33304
954-522-9900
Fax: 954-522-9966
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Saturday 10 am to 6:30 pm. Vintage exotic and classic European automobiles of limited production such as Ferrari, Pegaso, Maserati, Lamborghini, Iso, Monteverdi, AC Cobra, Aston Martin, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Delage, Delahaye, Talbot-Lago, Facel Vega, Mercedes 300S and 300SL, BMW M-1 and 507, etc. Always an excellent selection of 40-50 high quality examples in stock. Trades welcome, pick up/delivery worldwide easily arranged.


Omega Automobile Appraisals
115 18 Ave SE
St Petersburg, FL 33705
727-894-5690
Open shop only. Monday-Saturday at customer's convenience. Specializing in Rolls-Royce and Bentley. Appraises all makes, models and years of autos and trucks. Member of and schooled by International Society of Appraisers since 1982. Appraisals for insurance coverage, pre or post purchase, marriage or business dissolution, loan valuation, probate, bankruptcy, value disputes, donations for tax deductions, restoration, diminished value.

Coachbuilt Motors
907 E Hudson St
Columbus, OH 43211
614-261-1541
Mail order and open shop. Tuesday-Friday 8 am to 5:30 pm, Saturday by appointment. Rolls-Royce mail order and repair service

East Coast Jaguar
802B Naaman's Rd
Wilmington, DE 19810
United States
302-475-7200
Fax: 302-475-9258
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8:30 am to 5:30 pm. Specializing in parts and service for Jaguar XKs to XJs. Deals in remanufactured water pumps for Austin-Healey, BMW, Ferrari, Jaguar/Daimler, Maserati, MG, Mercedes, Morgan, Porsche, Rolls-Royce/Bentley, Rover and Triumph.


City Imports Ltd
166 Penrod Ct
Glen Burnie, MD 21061
United States
410-768-6660
Fax: 410-768-5955
Dealing in the following: Jaguar, MG, Triumph, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Saab, Range Rover. Bodywork, restoration, car sales, regular maintenance. 21 years in the business. Experienced staff mechanics.


International Restoration Specialist Inc
PO Box 1303
Mount Airy, NC 27030
United States
336-789-1548
Restoration of exotics including Jaguar, Ferrari, Triumph, Mercedes, Rolls-Royce/Bentley, Porsche, Pantera, Bugatti and other fine collector cars. They perform top quality full ground-up and partial restorations in house on all marques. Consistently receiving National honors, including Grand National 1st Place AACA, Regional Best of Show Awards, JCNA Regional and National Concours Awards and prestigious invitational appearances. Restoration, sales and purchases of fine automobiles are worthy of International Restoration Specialist Inc.


Leatherique Leather Restoration Products
PO Box 2678
Orange Park, FL 32065
United States
904-272-0992
Fax: 904-272-1534
Mail order only. Leather restoration and preservation products for Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Jaguar (English Connolly leather), MG, Mercedes-Benz, Lincoln Continental, Lexus, BMW. Leather conditioning and cleaning. Named simply the best by Rolls-Royce car owners club since 1968. Also, custom color, matched leather dye, which is water based making it soft and natural, not brittle like lacquer dyes.


Regal International Motor Cars Inc
PO Box 6819
Hollywood, FL 33081
305-989-9777
Fax: 305-989-9778
Deals in Rolls-Royce, Mercedes, Jaguar, Avanti, special interest cars.


Marshall Antique & Classic Restorations
3714 Old Philadelphia Pike
Bethlehem, PA 18015
610-868-7765
Fax: 610-868-7529
Specialize in restoration services for Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Mercedes-Benz. Distributor of No-Rosionª products.


Mid-Jersey Motorama Inc
1301 Asbury Ave
PO Box 1395
Asbury Park, NJ 07712
732-775-9885
Fax: 732-775-9885
Open by appointment. Specializing in Mercedes, Cadillac, Land Rover, Rolls-Royce, Jaguar, Lincoln.


Foreign Motors West
253 N Main St
Natick, MA 01760
United States
508-655-5350
Fax: 508-651-0178
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 6 pm, Saturday 8 to noon. Specializing in Rolls-Royce/Bentley, Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Land Rover, Peugeot for all years and models.


Bassett Classic Restoration
2616 Sharon St, Suite D
Kenner, LA 70062
United States
504-469-2982
Fax: 504-469-2982
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Saturday 9 am to 6 pm. Upholstery, woodworking, reveneering and mechanical restorations. Parts, sales and service. Also paint, bodywork and cadmium plating. In business since 1973. We have restored RROC National First Place and Senior Award winning motor cars. We work on Rolls-Royce and Bentley motorcars exclusively. We do complete restorations, woodwork refinishing and interiors are our specialty. Celebrating 26 years of meticulous, affordable craftsmanship.


The Enthusiasts Shop
John Parnell
PO Box 80471
Baton Rouge, LA 70898
United States
225-928-7456
Fax: 225-928-7665
Mail order only. Specializing in Rolls-Royce and Bentley cars and pre-war parts. Buying, selling literature for pre-1966 Rolls-Royce and Bentleys. Also do inspections and transportation. Will purchase cars in any condition or location. Finder's fees paid. Pre-war abandoned restoration projects and incomplete cars wanted. References gladly furnished.


Collectors Choice LTD
6400 Springfield-Lodi Rd
Dane, WI 53529
United States
608-849-9878
Fax: 608-849-9879
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5 pm. DeTomaso and Dodge Viper parts distributors. Specializing in DeTomaso Panteras, AC Cobras, GT-40 Fords, Shelbys, Ferraris, Jaguars, Rolls-Royces and Vipers.


Motorcars International
528 N Prince Ln
Springfield, MO 65802
417-831-9999
Fax: 417-831-808
Monday-Friday 8 am to 6 pm, Saturday 9 am to 3 pm. The authorized Lamborghini center. Sales, service, accessories. Pre-owned car sales of Ferrari, Porsche, Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar, Lotus, Rolls-Royce and Bentley. National locating service. Custom financing programs. Over 16 years delivering the experience of fine motoring with recognized excellence. Cash buyers for your car. Enclosed nationwide delivery. Factory authorized service and parts. Concours salon services. Aftermarket accessories specializing in custom fit car covers, floor mats and car care products. Web site: motorcars-intl.com


LMARR Disk Ltd
PO Box 910
Glen Ellen, CA 95442-0910
United States
707-938-9347
Fax: 707-938-3020
Mail order only. Specializing in wheel discs for pre-war Rolls-Royce, PI, PII, PIII, 20/25, 25/30, Wraith, Bentley 3-1/2, 4-1/4, Speed 6, 8 litre, Bentley rear wheelcover, Alfa, Bugatti, Delage D8, Lagonda, Jaguar Mk IV, Hispano-Suiza, Lincoln, Voisin.


Ashton Keynes Vintage Restorations Ltd
A Keith Bowley
Ashton Keynes, Swindon
Wilshire, none
England
01285-861-288
Fax: 01285-860-604
Coachbuilders and restorers of vintage and classic cars. Panel work, painting and electrical and mechanical restorations. Specializing in Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Jaguar and all classic marques. Engine reconditioning, white metaling and line boring, specialist machining.


Peter Harper
Stretton House, Northwich Road
Lower Stretton
Nr Warrington, WA4 4PF, WA4 4PF
England
01925 730411;
Fax: 01925730224
Call for appointment. Near M6 motorway. Car collector with 15-20 cars including some London to Brighton and brass age cars, prewar-1965 Rolls-Royces and Bentleys. Usually a few prewar sports cars and open touring cars. Also pre-1930 motorcycles, usually around 15 flat tank machines, eg Norton, AJS, Indian, FN (4), etc. No parts.


Teddy's Garage
8530 Louise Ave
Northridge, CA 91325
818-341-0505
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 6 pm. Restores, services and repairs Rolls-Royces, Bentleys, Jaguars, MGs and other fine British automobiles. We have a large stock of parts for pre-66 Rolls and Bentley cars. If we don't have it, we will get it. Finest workmanship for finest cars.


Classic Auto Restoration
15445 Ventura Blvd #60
Sherman Oaks, CA 91413
United States
818-905-6212
Fax: 818-906-1249
Shop open by appointment only. Rolls-Royce, Bentley and fine classic automobile restoration, appraisals, acquisitions and sales. Picture vehicle rental services. Specializing in classic and exotic automobiles. Custom fabrication and preparation of all makes and models to the motion picture and television industry.


British Things Inc
10757 Ashton Ave
Los Angeles, CA 90024
United States
310-474-9008
Fax: 310-474-6725
Mail order only. Limited edition specialized car badges for Rolls-Royce & Bentley. Designed for special commemorative events, such as 90th commemorative for Rolls-Royce, plus solid stainless steel badge bars. Numbered badges for clans, yacht clubs, family crests.

Michael Chapman
Priorsleigh, Mill Lane
Cleeve Prior
Worcestershire, WR115JZ, WWR115JZ
England
0044-1789-773897
Fax: 0044-1789-773588
Mail order and open shop by prior appointment only. Specialize in Rolls-Royce/Bentley, Hispano and quality vehicle parts. Finest selection veteran, Edwardian, vintage lamps, horns, emblems, instruments, books, badges, tools, mascots, etc, all makes, 1890-1960. The finest selection in Europe. No inquiry is too large or too small. Also high-wheeler bicycles and cycling memorabilia sometimes available.


Antique Car Paintings
6889 Fairwood
Dearborn Heights, MI 48127
313-274-7774
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Saturday 9 am to 5 pm. Retired Ford Motor Co artist with 49 years' experience. Have painted 1,193 original paintings of old cars. Also full color prints of 1932 Fords, 1936 Fords, Model As and 40 Fords, 1932 Duesenberg roadster, 1930 Cadillac roadster, 1934 Packard touring, 1930 Rolls-Royce touring.


Motorcar Valet Inc
PO Box 711777
Cottonwood, UT 84171
801-277-4596
Fax: 801-277-4680
Mail order only. Autoglym Products, England's superior quality car care products, selected by Aston Martin, Jaguar, Rolls-Royce, McLaren, Penske racing and auto enthusiasts in 40 countries worldwide. Autoglym Products offers a full line of polishes, waxes, compounds, cleaners, dressings, specially woven cotton cloth and expert car care video.


Classic Car Appraisal Service
Atlanta Office
1400 Lake Ridge Ct
Roswell, GA 30076
770-993-5622
Open by appointment only. Donald R Peterson, president. Have appraised more than 11,000 collector cars since opening in 1974. Packard, Rolls-Royce and other CCCA Classics are our specialty. Member of CCCA, AACA, HCCA, VMCCA, MCS, RROC, PAC and SAH. A copy of our credentials will be mailed at your request. We also do diminished value appraisals, pre-purchase examinations and have served as an expert witness on dozens of occasions.


Royal Coach Works Ltd
2146 Lunceford Ln
Lilburn, GA 30047
404-249-9040
Fax: 404-249-9040
Restorations by appointment. Appraisals for pre-purchase and insurance. IAAA member (#1005140098). Restorations, woodwork, maintenance, parts for Rolls-Royce to 1985, Aston to 1992, Mercedes 600 to 1975.


Wolfson Engineering
512 Parkway W
Las Vegas, NV 89106
702-384-4196
Fax: 702-384-4196
Mail order and open shop by appointment. Major and minor mechanical engineering projects, modifications, research and development, designs, welding, fabrication. Difficult new and used parts secured. Specialist in Rolls-Royce and American muscle cars. Member SAE, Society of Automotive Engineers and 30 year member RROC. Not accepting assignments with Asian cars or computer related electronics.


Northern Motorsport Ltd
PO Box 508, Rt 5
Wilder, VT 05088
United States
802-296-2099
Fax: 802-295-6599
bugatti46@aol.com
Open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 6 pm. We specialize in service, repair and mechanical restoration of pre-70s Rolls-Royces, Bentleys, Mercedes, Bugattis and Packards. We are a full service shop providing service and repairs to current model year European automobiles as well as our beloved antiques. With machine tools on premises, we can fabricate some parts. We can provide references and pictures upon request. Contact: Mike Zack. We also sell European and antique automobiles.


Enfield Auto Restoration
4 Print Shop Rd
Enfield, CT 06082
860-749-7917
Fax: 860-749-2836
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5:30 pm. Full service. Restoration, panel beating, fabrication services, woodworking, bodywork and paint, maintenance sales and services, wire-on leather service and coach building. Springfield Rolls-Royce parts.


Automotive Restorations Inc
Kent S Bain
1785 Barnum Ave
Stratford, CT 06614
United States
203-377-6745
Fax: 203-386-0486
carbain@compuserve.com
www.automotiverestorations.com
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 10 am to 5 pm, Saturday 9 am to 12 pm. Specializing in steel and aluminum body panels for all coachbuilt cars for Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Aston Martin, Ferrari, Maserati, AC, Jaguar and so on. Restoration services, including all mechanical repairs and component rebuilding, collector car maintenance/storage program, panel beating and body fabrication, upholstery, painting, woodwork. 22 person shop, established 1977. Web site: www.automotiverestorations.com


Classic Coachworks
735 Frenchtown Rd
Milford, NJ 08848
United States
908-996-3400
Fax: 908-996-0204
info@classiccoachworks.net
www.classiccoachworks.com
Open Monday-Saturday by appointment only. Restoration and restyling facility specializing in cars from 1950-present. All work performed by certified craftsmen and supervised by a certified master craftsman. ASE certified and I-Car certified master repair/refinish technicians. I-Car Gold Class repair facility. Bodywork, painting and restorations for 1950s-present Corvette, Mustang, T-Bird, Mercedes, Rolls-Royce and Porsche. Collision work to all years, makes and models. Web site: www.classiccoachworks.com


Prueitt & Sons Inc
8 Winter Ave, PO Box 158
Glen Rock, PA 17327
717-428-1305 800-766-0035
Fax: 717-235-4428
Shop open Monday-Friday 8 am to 4:30 pm. Complete restorations, upholstery, wood refinishing for antique and classic cars. Expert paint & bodywork, all types of mechanical work. Rolls-Royce service. We are a family run business with over thirty years' experience restoring cars of all makes. Please visit our shop anytime.


From Rust To Riches
16643 Rt 144
Mount Airy, MD 21771
United States
301-854-5900 410-442-3637
Fax: 301-854-5957
tatrabill@aol.com
Mail order and open shop. Largest old car facility in the Washington DC, Baltimore, Frederick and northern Virginia areas. Full service, repairs, parts and award winning restorations of most cars and trucks through the early 1970s. Specialists in American and European cars including Packard, Cadillac, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Studebaker and more. Obscure European cars welcome. Expert certified appraiser on-site. 15,000 square foot facility located just minutes from I-70. Over 30 years in the old car hobby and business.

Bonnet to Boot
7217 Geyser Ave
Reseda, CA 91335
818-757-7050
Fax: 818-340-8674
Mail order and open shop. Restoration shop. Service and parts for Bentley, Jaguar and Rolls-Royce. Original British license plates. Color-Tune tool dealer. Web site: bonnettoboot


Auto Europa
221 Berrellesa St
Martinez, CA 94553
925-229-3466
Fax: 925-313-0542
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5 pm. Complete restoration services, 5-man shop dedicated to all phases of restoration, in-house machine shop, sheetmetal, panel fabrication, woodworking, painting. Marques restored: Alfa, Bugatti, Cord, Duesenberg, Ferrari, Jaguar, Lola, Lamborghini, Lincoln, LaSalle, Mercedes, Packard, Pierce-Arrow, Plymouth, Rolls-Royce, Talbot-Lago. Many First Place winners, including Best of Show at Pebble Beach twice.


RM Auto Restoration Ltd
9435 Horton Line
Blenheim ON, N0P 1A0
Canada
519-352-4575
Fax: 519-351-1337
clark@rmcars.com
Open Monday-Friday 9 am to 5 pm, Saturday by appointment. Complete award-winning or partial restorations of Cadillac, Packard, Jaguar, Rolls-Royce, Stutz, Ferrari and Mercedes-Benz. All work done in-house to the highest quality. We are located 45 minutes east of Detroit. Web site: www.rmcars.com

Auto Craftsmen Restoration Inc
27945 Elm Grove
San Antonio, TX 78261
United States
830-980-4027
Fax: 830-980-4027
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am to 5 pm. Specializing in Mercedes-Benz and Rolls-Royce, Mustang convertibles, others considered. Top winning show cars have been restored by this shop.


Guild of Automotive Restorers
PO Box 1150
44 Bridge St
Bradford, ON L3Z 2B5
Canada
905-775-0499
Fax: 905-775-0944
webmaster@guildautomotive.on.ca
www.guildautomotive.on.ca
The Guild is dedicated to the restoration and sale of the world's great cars. Our services include true coach building, ash framing, panel beating, mechanical and trim parts fabrication, engine rebuilding, paint and upholstering. We restore and service automobiles with an emphasis on the full classics of the 1920s and 1930s. From complete frame-off restorations to small repairs and service. The Guild offers fine quality workmanship. We service a wide variety of cars including Bugatti, Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Packard, Pierce-Arrow, GM, Ford and many more. Web site: www.guildautomotive.on.ca


David M King, Automotive Books
5 Brouwer Ln
Rockville Centre, NY 11570
United States
516-766-1561
Fax: 516-766-7502
Mail order only. Automotive books. Buyer and seller of books on all makes plus racing, biographies, auto travel and annuals. Specializing in literature, books, catalogs, ads, manuals, etc, for Rolls-Royces and Bentleys. Publishers of the Rolls-Royce Review, The Journal of Rolls-Royce and Bentley book and literature collecting.


Glass Search/LOF
4370 Alum Creek Dr
Columbus, OH 43207
United States
800-848-1351
Fax: 614-443-0709
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 8 am-6 pm EST. Glass Search carries an inventory of over 70,000 glass parts. We have the auto glass you need. Original classic parts per original specifications. Corvettes, Buick, Chevy, Olds, just to name a few. We also can supply original glass parts for Ferrari, Jaguar, Rolls-Royce and a number of exotic vehicles. Need a part cut to pattern? We can supply that also. Hard to find auto glass replacement parts. LOF's Glass Search team is always ready to serve you.


Northwest Transmission Parts
13500 US 62
Winchester, OH 45697
800-327-1955 order line 937-442-2811
Automatic and standard shift parts back to 1933. Gears, shafts, bearings, kits for automatics, bands, pumps, drums, bushings, etc. Also parts for Mercedes, Rolls-Royce and Jaguar automatics in stock. Automatic transmission flywheels. Motor and transmission mounts back to 1933.


Albers Rolls-Royce
360 S First St
Zionsville, IN 46077
United States
317-873-2360 317-873-2560
Fax: 317-873-6860
Monday-Friday 8 am to 5 pm. America's oldest exclusive authorized Rolls-Royce/Bentley dealer. New and pre-owned motorcars available. Largest stock of parts in North America from prewar to current series. We are now in our 4th decade of service "where total commitment to the product does make a difference". Please supply your chassis/identification number when ordering parts.


Classic Auto Air Mfg Co
2020 W Kennedy Blvd
Tampa, FL 33606
United States
813-251-2356 813-251-4994
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 9:30 am to 6 pm. Manufactures exact factory or aftermarket parts and complete systems for all 1955-1973 Ford, GM and Chrysler. Show quality rebuilding services and exact hose duplications. Large NOS stock of a/c and heat parts. Specializing in 1965-1973 Mustang/Cougar, 1949-1979 Rolls-Royce/Bentley and Ford/GM auto temp control systems. Very detailed 1965-1973 Mustang a/c catalog.


Powers Parts Inc
425 Pine Ave
PO Box 796
Anna Maria, FL 34216
941-778-7270;
Fax: 941-778-0289
Mail order and open shop. Monday-Friday 9 am to 4 pm. New and used parts and literature for 1933-39 Bentleys, Rolls-Royces and WW II small horsepower Rolls-Royces.


Hilborn Motor Car Interiors
7025 Reseda Blvd
Reseda, CA 91335
United States
818-345-2113 818-345-5119
Rolls-Royce Interiors. Hilborn Motor Car Interiors, 7025 Reseda Blvd, Reseda, CA 91335, PH: 818-345-2113; FAX: 818-345-5119.


Carriage House Motor Cars
25 Railroad Ave
Greenwich, CT 06830
United States
203-661-6669 800-883-2462, parts 24 hrs
Fax: 203-661-6998
Rolls-Royce/Bentley Parts, Postwar to Present. Carriage House Motor Cars, 25 Railroad Ave, Greenwich, CT 06830, PH: 203-661-6669; 24-hour parts phone: 1-800-883-2462; 24-hour FAX line: 203-661-6998.


Legendary Motorcars
155 Kennedy Ave
Campbell, CA 95008
United States
408-379-9222
Fax: 408-379-1070
www.legendarymotorcars.com
ROLLS-ROYCE/BENTLEY INVENTORY, 1971-1991, Specializing in Automobiles of Distinction. Legendary Motorcars, 155 Kennedy Ave, Campbell, CA 95008 408-379-9222, FAX: 408-379-1070; www.legendarymotorcars.com


Turner Resources, Inc
160 Lawrenceville-Pennington Rd
Lawrenceville, NJ 08648
United States
732-225-5800 800-631-5474
Fax: 732-417-1500
rrspares@aolc.om
Full Line of Mechanical Parts For Rolls-Royce and Bentley The Ultimate Source Turner Resources, Inc Synergy Ctr, 160 Lawrenceville-Pennington Rd Lawrenceville, NJ 08648 732-225-5800 Orders: 800-631-5474 FAX: 732-417-1500 E-mail: rrspares@aol.com or pmcstores@aol.com


Terry Cohn Limited
,
United Kingdom
44(0) 1252-795000
Fax: 44(0) 1252-793855
terry@rotherwood.co.uk
Large Selection of Classic Rolls-Royce and Bentley Cars Terry Cohn PH: +44(0) 1252-795000 FAX: +44(0) 1252-793855 E-Mail: terry@rotherwood.co.uk ENGLAND


The Belmont Group
, IL
United States
847-945-9603
Fax: 847-945-9636
belmont@wwa.com
1936 Rolls-Royce Phantom III Gurney Nutting Sedanca deVille Designed by Captain Owen Outstanding condition. Documentation available. US $165,000 Glyn Morris - The Belmont Group 847-945-9603; FAX: 847-945-9636 belmont@wwa.com


St Louis Motor Car
, MO
United States
888-909-2929
Automobile Restoration Rolls-Royce, Pierce-Arrow, Mercedes, Cadillac St Louis Motor Car 888-909-2929

"Hi I am 22 years old don’t have too much money, I saved up a bit and selling my current car 1996 Audi A6 which is a boring front wheel drive car which I am sick of driving. I really need advice from..."

Dug up from another one of your posts, in short no.

Rolls Royce are great cars, and there more sporty cousins Bentley.

Roy whats a good figure for yearly operating expenses on one? $10kish?

WOW Whunter - I am impressed, like I just took a crash course in RR:D What do these cars ride, handle like?

:D OK, let me re-word that. After driving a 126 would I be impressed or disappointed:P

These cars look amazing and i've seen a few being run on a shoe string budget as wedding hire cars.

Providing nothing major breaks you may be ok (like owning a 6.3 or 6.9 really). These cars had a lot of leather and wood. So restoring one will get really expensive.

"Hi I am 22 years old don’t have too much money, I saved up a bit and selling my current car 1996 Audi A6 which is a boring front wheel drive car which I am sick of driving. I really need advice from..."

Dug up from another one of your posts, in short no.

Rolls Royce are great cars, and there more sporty cousins Bentley.

Roy whats a good figure for yearly operating expenses on one? $10kish?
Best advice:
Join http://www.rroc.org/
Get on the forum and let them know you are looking for a nice daily driver.:)
You can not afford a Concourse quality ($100K +) car, and would not want to suffer the massive depreciation from driving it. :eek: :eek: :eek:

A nice daily driver Silver Cloud 2 will cost roughly $18,000.00 - $23,000.00 USD.

A nice daily driver Silver Shadow or Silver Shadow 2 will cost roughly $18,000.00 - $23,000.00 USD.

A cheap fixer upper Silver Shadow or Silver Shadow 2 will cost roughly $3,000.00 USD to buy, and approximately $28,000.00 to return it to a nice/safe daily driver.

A 1930 - 1958 Rolls-Royce or Bentley needing serious restoration ($60K) is roughly $8,000.00 to $30,000.00 USD depending upon vehicle history, with some in the 100/300 K range due to famous past owners.

Restoration of a 90% perfect daily driver to Concourse quality typically runs $68,000.00 - $80,000.00 USD per car.


Look at the pictures here for a definition of Nice.
http://www.rroc-mr.org/index.htm

Yearly operation for a good condition daily driver is identical with the top level vehicles of today.
Plan for $3K and save the difference in an insurance account for serious issues.

I would rather buy a Rolls-Royce or Bentley that has been driven, storage tends to wreck them.

OK unless you cashed out during the dot com boom you may want to re-think a rolls royce as a daily driver. Don't get me wrong it's a great second car and forgetting the expense of owning one for a second. How quickly do you think you can get parts for this car if it breaks?

Also, who are you going to get to work on this car? I'm in Atlanta and know only one Mechanic who worked at a Rolls Royce dealership in his day.

If your looking for a reliable , classy classic car you should really consider a Mercedes W108 car. The 280SEL is a really beautiful car and is well capable of keeping up with daily traffic. You can also walk into an advance order parts and get a bunch of service items for it either off the counter or on the next delivery truck.

This car belongs to a member of my W108 group.
www.ebay.rollingclassics.com
Personally I think it's one of the prettiest W108's that I've seen.

Good luck in your search.

WOW Whunter - I am impressed, like I just took a crash course in RR:D What do these cars ride, handle like?
A perfect Rolls-Royce or Bentley is the ultimate experience.
* It handles like a dream at two MPH through as fast as you can pay the ticket. :)
* The interior is pure luxury that never punishes you.
* All other drivers stare or wave.
* The pure ego trip of driving YOUR Rolls-Royce or Bentley.
* The joy struck endorphin rush (almost like the birth of your first child).

I work on them, and this requires test driving, many times people have come up to me at the gas pump making offers to buy the car. :)
One fellow followed me from Toledo, Ohio to Detroit, just to speak with the owner in person, to convince him to sell it. :D

Please don't tell anyone, but there was a time when Mistress dreamed of owning a RR Silver Shadow, waxbean yellow exterior, camel interior with a rag top....I know, in the time out corner..

:D OK, let me re-word that. After driving a 126 would I be impressed or disappointed:P
The W126 is a nice family car compared with a poor condition Rolls-Royce or Bentley.

You do not want my judgment of how it compares to a perfect condition Rolls-Royce or Bentley.

I own a 1985 W126 300SD.

After driving the Phantom and Bentley Continental GT, the realization struck me, the Phantom has Sinful LUXURY, elegance, and power, the Bentley Continental GT has POWER, handling, comfort, gadgets.
Combined, they cover the market.

I made a statement to a nationally prominent professional athlete who had driven a Maybach, and was considering buying one, go to the local RR dealer, get their demo for the weekend, you will never return the keys or the car... :D
He took the challenge, and forced them to sell him the demo Monday, when he refused to trade it for another. :D

Rolls-Royce is SPECIAL...
It is recognized around the world as the car of successful wealthy people.

A nice daily driver Silver Cloud 2 will cost roughly $18,000.00 - $23,000.00 USD.
.

Yeah, a local guy I know just sold a 1980 SCII that needed paint and cosmetic work for $17.5. 18K mi. It was black with camel interior and I think was mechanically ok.

Does it cost allot to keep a Rolls Royce Silver Shadow series II 1975 model? Its just that i found one to buy and just wondering if they brake down allot or are they reliable like the s-class?
thanks for your advice!!!


IMHO,
They are very durable cars, but they are fickle and parts cost a fortune. The brake system is very complex and expensive to repair. I know a fellow who bought a otherwise mint late '70s Shadow for 22k, and spent 6k in brake repairs when the low pressure warning light came on. The key is to find someone who knows these cars and buy the best one you can find. These people are a great source for spares, and they can ship to your door: http://www.albersrollsbentley.com/index.htm

A good one will make you carry a smile that's a mile wide, and a poor one will make you cry.

IMHO,
They are very durable cars, but they are fickle and parts cost a fortune. The brake system is very complex and expensive to repair. I know a fellow who bought a otherwise mint late '70s Shadow for 22k, and spent 6k in brake repairs when the low pressure warning light came on. The key is to find someone who knows these cars and buy the best one you can find. These people are a great source for spares, and they can ship to your door: http://www.albersrollsbentley.com/index.htm

A good one will make you carry a smile that's a mile wide, and a poor one will make you cry.

Well, anyway it was the brakes and $self-leveling systems that went first,as has been mentioned,horribly expensive.

Us guys in the shop had a simple test for the $elf-leveling system,we opened the trunk{boot,to youse purists}and had 2 or 3 heavy techs sit upon it,lowering it 6-9inches,we would start the car and if it didn't rise within minutes we knew there was trouble,if we were lucky it was a bad hydro pump that ran off the cam,most often it was uninformed owners or techs who poured brake fluid in the hydro reservoirs which absorbed water and deteriorated the parts in the high-pressure system,the R-R fluid being anhydrous,thus,total component replacement.

The triple circuit brakes were known as "rat traps"the master control being the most prohibitive and complex part,I'll scan a page from an old service manual I have,too,too complex.

id like to be driven to my prom in a phantom ^_^

id like to be driven to my prom in a phantom ^_^

I know of 7 for sale within 3 miles of my house,or would you rather I sent you a Smith & Wesson with 5 empty chambers,all you have to do is spin the cylinder 6 times,firing after each spin.

I know of 7 for sale within 3 miles of my house,or would you rather I sent you a Smith & Wesson with 5 empty chambers,all you have to do is spin the cylinder 6 times,firing after each spin.

why would i do that....

why would i do that....

Jeezes crimini! I must be thick-headed tonight...help me out here,what do you call that game where you put a revolver with one round to your temple?Russian something??aaHHHH,ROULETTE!!!

Because that's what it is like buying a seventies Roller that has not been driven much.

Jeezes crimini! I must be thick-headed tonight...help me out here,what do you call that game where you put a revolver with one round to your temple?Russian something??aaHHHH,ROULETTE!!!

Because that's what it is like buying a seventies Roller that has not been driven much.

ah... yea.. true true... "life is like a box of choclates, ya never know whatcha gona get"

a rolls would be a nice weekend car.. but i have no money for one

a rolls would be a nice weekend car.. but i have no money for one

....as most of us don't. ;)

I did ride in one of my relatives' Roller in Hong Kong some years back. I wasn't into cars yet but I did remember it was eerily quiet and that was strange seeing many of cars and people all around but no noise inside the cabin.

Well, anyway it was the brakes and $self-leveling systems that went first,as has been mentioned,horribly expensive.

Us guys in the shop had a simple test for the $elf-leveling system,we opened the trunk{boot,to youse purists}and had 2 or 3 heavy techs sit upon it,lowering it 6-9inches,we would start the car and if it didn't rise within minutes we knew there was trouble,if we were lucky it was a bad hydro pump that ran off the cam,most often it was uninformed owners or techs who poured brake fluid in the hydro reservoirs which absorbed water and deteriorated the parts in the high-pressure system,the R-R fluid being anhydrous,thus,total component replacement.

The triple circuit brakes were known as "rat traps"the master control being the most prohibitive and complex part,I'll scan a page from an old service manual I have,too,too complex.

I got a little eager, and posted after only reading the first post, whoops. ;)

I worked at a shop once that serviced a couple of Shodow models. I remember that one particular car would come in every few months, and the miles driven since the last visit were the exact total to and from the owners house.

http://au.rrforums.net/cgi-bin/forum/discus.pl

Technical Library
Rolls-Royce Technical Literature Library.
Includes "Tee-One Topics" - The esteemed journal of matters pertaining to the care and maintenance of Silver Shadow, Bentley T and Early Post-War Rolls-Royce models.

Pictures to display the hydraulic system.

Did I mention this system has thirteen bleed screws...

Pictures to display the hydraulic system.

Pictures to display the hydraulic system.

Pictures to display the hydraulic system.

BLIMEY! I have to add my 2 pence to this marvelous discussion of ROLLS-ROYCE and the rest of the automotive world.
I agree with what has been said completely! Excellent posts! That's why I love this site, informed people willing to truthfully discuss their experiences with RR, on The Best MB Site in the USA!
The best Dealer would be someone who also Services and Sells Beechcraft or Gulfstream Aircraft. A John Deere Dealer would also be good. Why? Because of the hydraulics and electronics involved in servicing and repairing these anachronisms of The British Empire. Remember that RR was a leading designer and manufacturer of Military and Commercial aircraft powerplants and their sub-systems, even after the Bankruptcy of the Aircraft Division, where Vickers Armaments Group, bought the Automotive Division from Her Majesty's Government. BMW currently owns RR, after the RR Name confusion with VW, which is still one of the strangest business transactions I have ever heard of.

There is nothing like a ROLLS-ROYCE, PERIOD!

If you have a serious and not a passing interest you will do what is required to keep her and you will enjoy and remember her the rest of your life! If not, you are in for an expensive and frustrating time. which no one needs! It's a way of life, really! From another era.

Your peace of mind will be severely tested, maybe defeated. Why? Where do you drive it, park it and when. You can't leave it ANYWHERE, without guarding it. Some Heathen will try to steal, damage, steal the flying lady mascot, if they haven't run into you or forced you off the road etc. Do you have your armed body guards along for the ride?

I am glad that I have had the priveledge and opportunity to own and drive these cars. They were an unexplicable part of my life. When people who were aquantances discovered my RR interests, they seemed to change and not always for the better. My involvement in the Clubs added a Social Element also, that surprised me to it's extent. This also happens to other Marques as well, but nothing like RR. I am telling you of these psychological factors that I was unaware of. :scholar:

This has been one of the best discussions that I read on RR Ownership.
Again my Brethren, I salute you! :beerchug:

The Silver Shadow is hardly one of their finest efforts. As such, it is an expensive boondoggle as a car to actually use. And it's not pretty enough, in the manner of a Phantom I or II, nor even a Bentley Continental, or even the "dry land gin palace" Corniche... to warrant its horrendous upkeep. This is speaking as someone who has been forced to work on 1970s RRs in a shop.

Rolls-Royce has a certain something, and a Bentley Turbo R or any of its turbo 6.75 litre descendants have a Blue Train kind of torque-monster, screw the aerodynamics kind of brute force panache, but a Silver Shadow is bested by its contemporaneous S-Class in any measure you might think of, in my not so humble opinion.

How does it *really* stack up next to a 6.3 or 6.9? The 1971 Shadow that I had a hand in the $10k worth of repairs to compared unfavorably with the W126 300SD I drove home at the end of those days...

Pictures to display the hydraulic system.

You are truly a cruel fellow to thus give me chest pains by awakening these long-dormant memories,generally not of the best.

Let us sincerely hope that your "beating a dead horse approach"is enough to dissuade potential purchasers,impressed with the prestige and status of these rolling money pits,from considering flushing their money down the "Loo".

Did I not say earlier whunter knows Rolls? :D

I keep catching myself reading these threads with a British accent.....:P

At least owning a Shadow has it's perks, you can roll down the window and ask people if they have any Grey Poupon. :D

At least owning a Shadow has it's perks, you can roll down the window and ask people if they have any Grey Poupon. :D
I actually had that happen to me -- some teenaged girls couldn't keep a straight face while they shouted it at me at a stoplight.

I was driving my banker-grey W126 at the time. Somehow I don't think the gold C230 would get the same response. . . .
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I actually had that happen to me -- some teenaged girls couldn't keep a straight face while they shouted it at me at a stoplight.

I was driving my banker-grey W126 at the time. Somehow I don't think the gold C230 would get the same response. . . .
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They would have died if you pulled a jar of it out of the glovebox.

At least owning a Shadow has it's perks, you can roll down the window and ask people if they have any Grey Poupon. :D
All of my Rolls-Royce and Bentley customers carry Grey Poupon Dijon Mustard. :D
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The Silver Shadow is hardly one of their finest efforts. As such, it is an expensive boondoggle as a car to actually use. And it's not pretty enough, in the manner of a Phantom I or II, nor even a Bentley Continental, or even the "dry land gin palace" Corniche... to warrant its horrendous upkeep. This is speaking as someone who has been forced to work on 1970s RRs in a shop.

Rolls-Royce has a certain something, and a Bentley Turbo R or any of its turbo 6.75 litre descendants have a Blue Train kind of torque-monster, screw the aerodynamics kind of brute force panache, but a Silver Shadow is bested by its contemporaneous S-Class in any measure you might think of, in my not so humble opinion.

How does it *really* stack up next to a 6.3 or 6.9? The 1971 Shadow that I had a hand in the $10k worth of repairs to compared unfavorably with the W126 300SD I drove home at the end of those days...


Rob and my learned and respected Gentlemen;

I tend to agree with Rob, that in Modern Times, The Silver Shadow reflects waiting for something bad and expensive to happen! It still has the RR Spirit, but not the Passion of the Pre-War (Both WW I and II), When they really were the Best that could be made--To last for a lifetime. The Silver Ghost is the Spirit of RR and of The British People! It did achieve the excellence that Henry Royce, created for a motorcar.

WHunter, my excellent tutor on this site, showed us the extremes the RR has gone to in the Braking and Leveling Systems. The Hydraulic Spheres (Cannonballs) that have to be recharged periodically, can't do that at Pepboys or Walmart. Re-reading the manual on them scares me and what's left of my wallet! The complete set of Manuals for the RR SS is 6 or 7 Volumes. I don't recall if that includes the Electrical Manuals. They seem to do better if they are driven daily, like they are at the Peninsula Hotel in Hong Kong? There are many better machines!

Our MB's, Ferrari's, BMW's etc. have their own distinct personalities, but RR is it's own above the rest. It's place defined by it contribution in the Victory in the Wars and it's 100 + years of existence. It has survived time. That is it's past. With BMW purchasing it. RR is not that any longer, that era has finished! It may be a better machine today with BMW's input and money, but the RR of history ceased when production stopped at Crewe.

What about the Rolls-Royce Corniche convertible? Always loved that car, would not dare to drive a Rolls in LA, feel already on save in my friends 911 turbo! ;)

Quentin Willson's Picks "High Rollers" Top Gear 10/97 (UK)

Bentley T2

For: Huge Value, Huge Fun, Huge Thirst
Against: Huge Thirst, Huge Bills, lots of woof-woofs, a bit of a barge on corners

Still a class act, Not too dear to run if you find a tame specialist. Beautifully constructed and eternally fascinating. Service history paramount, never buy without. Dark colours flatter, Mason's black favourite. Mechanicals will outlast you. Shrewd selection is all, be very fussy

What to look for: Rotten wheel arches, sills, wings & rear quarter bumpers
ruined interiors, shabby timber, leaking suspension accumulators, corruption on top hat wishbones, ticking hydraulic tappets, duff electric seat/window motors, leaking PAS

Rolls Royce Silver Spirit

For: Value, breeding, politically incorrect
Against: A bit passe now, roly-poly handling, OPEC-Busting thirst

An uplifting drive that raises the odd eyebrow. Bentley Mulsanne in dark colors can be upspecced to Turbo R. Fuel injection and ABS after 86 and automatic ride control after 87. Four speed auto after 91. Quality mileage and provenance are all.

Avoid: light metallics, white, baggy high milers with no history, horrid interiors

What to look for: Ticking from top of engine, blue smoke, vandal scratches, creased seats, stained headlining, front tire wear, soggy suspension

Bentley Mulsanne

For: Pedigree, presence, panache
Against: Prodigous thirst, envy factor

Overall: Almost down to Silver Shadow Money. A softly spoken but speedy leviathian, the Mulsanne is one of the best value prestige cars. Long-life V8 and rust resistant body means most outlast owners. Mediaeval mechanicals, so njot too tragic to run as long as you bypass the cuff-linked dealer system.
83-85 turbos worth seeking out. Colour/history have big effect on values. ABS and injection after 86.

Avoid: Anything without history, tatty interiors, dated colours

What to look for: Signs of clocking, vandal damage, cam ticking, power steering leaks, duff shockers, pitted chrome, creased leather, warped brake discs

And time out for the Mercedes S class 126 fans:

For: Plutocrat image, hewn from stone, quality, space, comfort and authority
Against: Anesthetised feel, expensive to keep, depreciation becoming heavy

Overall: Wonderful value and still a class act. SEC saloons very sexy. Gentle restyle after 86. Later replacements cost mega bucks, so values firm. Blue-black and dark metallics look best. Leather and aircon desirable. Superb value if well bought- service history a must.

Avoid: 280/300 manuals, pimped up 500SECs. Thistle green, petrol blue, white, brown, ivory

Whagt to look for: timing chain rattle, low oil pressure, jerky autos, tired shockers, clocking, cracked windscreens





Corniche Convert: "CAR" magazine UK
For: Sails along
Against: Slack at the tiller
Sum Up: Dry Land Gin Palace


Fun, fun thread!!!
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Just in time to add more Petrol to the fire; I received this from Valvoline today.:laugh2:

http://www.valvoline.com/carcare/articleviewer.asp?pg=pht20060901rw&cccid=4&scccid=6

What about the Rolls-Royce Corniche convertible? Always loved that car, would not dare to drive a Rolls in LA, feel already on save in my friends 911 turbo! ;)
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Rolls-Royce%20Corniche%20convertible&btnG=Google+Search&sa=N&tab=wi

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Guys, I can't leave this RR extavaganza alone! I also have a RR Corniche Convertible story, that shows the RR Spirit, if that's the correct term?

I was driving a 1968 RR Mulliner-Park Ward Drophead Coupe, White Body and British Parliament Green Leather Interior, this is pre-Corniche, by a couple of years, on S. State St. and S. University, in Ann Arbor, Michigan. This is at the Michigan Union Area, the heart of the University of Michigan Central Campus.

It was a fine early Fall, afternoon, I had the Top down and after having stopped at the 3-way Stop Sign, I begin to hear cheering and applause coming from one of the Fraternity Houses along S. State, and then another! What's happened? I thought it was the White / Green Colors of Big 10 Rival Michigan State Spartans, that I was driving, not the Maize and Blue of the University of Michigan Wolverines, that were appropropriate for the setting and location. :book: :scholar:

These guys are bowing-saluting me! I stopped and asked them why me??? What Happened??? They said, "It's the RR Convertible! You have made it!!! A SUCCESS IN BUSINESS!!! We humbly bow to you! This is TRUE!!!

This is the stuff of RR Legends, that I am refering to.:idea2:

i have often thought that an early 50s or late forties rolls or bently wouldnt be too bad to maintain. straight six, crank windows, drum brakes probably not assisted, probably manual windows and a stick tranny.

they have a solid front axle too.

i would love all that leather and wood inside.

what about it roy? would this be tough to keep on the road too?

tom w

I have heard of people starting the old '40s and '50s RR models "on the spark". Does this mean that they can be started by just turning on the ignition and the resulting spark ignited the fuel vapors and it just starts? Am I crazy? or can this really be done?

i think to find manual spark adjustment you would have to get back into the thirties at least, maybe the twenties.

it works, i am told. the way it works is the cars have incredible compression and virtually no leak down. so when you shut it off one cylinder will be sitting there with a compressed charge of combustable mixture. so you take the manual spark adjustment and swing it to the top then to the bottom. this will cause the compressed cylinder to fire and the engine starts up.

if they sit too long or the rings are worn it wont work, though.

tom w

The problem is you can only drive one after you are extremly successful, and then only on weekends. I can just imagin trying to do a deal with a Royce parked outside, everyone will play lets screw the rich guy.:D Me "I'm worth 6%." Seller "You drive a Rolls, 3% is enough for you I have to put my kids through school.":eek: You can just barely get away with a MB, because they are commen enough now.

a few weeks ago the elderly widow across the street died. her husband was a wealthy accountant. he got wealthy by being the accountant for national homes corp when they were all young back after ww2. the story goes that he sometimes had to take his pay in stock, then sold it when it was really worth a lot.

he was famous locally for buying the first rolls in town.

i read that henry fords accountant got rich the same way...and his secretary!

and he did drive it every day, afaik.

tom w

i think to find manual spark adjustment you would have to get back into the thirties at least, maybe the twenties.

it works, i am told. the way it works is the cars have incredible compression and virtually no leak down. so when you shut it off one cylinder will be sitting there with a compressed charge of combustable mixture. so you take the manual spark adjustment and swing it to the top then to the bottom. this will cause the compressed cylinder to fire and the engine starts up.

if they sit too long or the rings are worn it wont work, though.

tom w

Thanks for sharing. I have asked people I know for years and they all said that was impossible.

Hi Tom and John.

If I can add my knowledge on the subject?

Tom, after WWII, there was a shortage of everything in Europe and The UK too. Gasoline was scarce and expensive. RR/Bentley sold a compact size to us, car. These had the improvements like independent front suspension and servo/mechanical assisted brakes. They are good driving cars. The Silver Cloud series are what most people think of when RRs are discussed. The SCI, II, III are basically the same car with a 5L-300cid Inline 6 cylinder engine, and the later series have the V8s. My favorite was the SC I to drive and OWN! Because of their less complication. RR's are never simple! Tom, as you can see I can talk forever on these cars.

John, Lot's of the early cars could be started on the "spark". The Silver Ghosts were easy to start when the engine was up to operating temperature and not too much leakdown of the mixture had occured. A battery-coil ignition was needed, but it could be fired on a magneto, if you are lucky! I used to do it with the Ghost and also a 1919 Cadillac V8--57 Touring Car, like General Pershing used during WW I. You could tell the condition of your engine by doing this. Leaking compression, you couldn't do this.

I see you guys were talking to each other on the site as I was slowly typing this out, you got the facts right! Click click...BANG! Sometimes! :) :idea2:

so are the late forties early fifties simpler to maintian than the later cars?

or just as complicated in different ways?

tom w

Tom, they were simpler because the high tech stuff and expensive parts, wasn't really incorporated until the Silver Shadows and they were sold form 1966 on... The Mid-50's Clouds and the Ghosts as well as some of the others too, are the ones to keep for a lifetime! The new ones maybe fine too, but, it takes a lot more money and the depreciation will kill your bank acct.
RR would purchase a new Buick Roadmaster Limited from GM, in the 1930's to study it's design and incorporate any usable ideas into RR Motorcars. It was Buick who RR considered a Benchmark, look at the design of the Clouds. I'm sure Cadillac was involved and MB, too.

The earlier post-war Clouds and Wraiths, have their own baileywicks! That's a RR word.:laugh2:
Albers Rolls-Royce in N. Indiana, near you I think, would be a great place to spend an afternoon, to learn all about this. It really is another world. :book: :scholar:

sounds good, thanks past.

so could one get a early to mid fifties rolls with crank windows and ac? and a stick?

tom w

I don't think they're cheap to maintain regardless of the model year, a friend of mine in San Francisco owned an early 70's Cloud saloon and about 15 years ago he was charged $400 simply to have the grille polished:greedy:

Tom, Anything n the Mid-50's is going to have GM's Dual Range HydraMatic Tranmission = 4 speeds in an automatic transmission. The HydraMatic Factory was 15 min from my home in Ann Arbor. I have toured it a few times and have friends who worked there on the assembly line and in the Prototype Shop as well as Engineering and the Auditing Dept.--Bean Counters. The RR model was blue-printed from GM. It was and is I think a great transmission for what it was designed for, Heavy Luxury Cars. RR took them apart and did some more work on them to meet their requirements, the mechanical servo on the tail, etc. That is where some of the trouble began. I have found them to be as trouble free and smooth as a TH 400. If they have been serviced and used correctly, which means just drive them and change the ATF Fluid and Filter, they used Sperm Whale Oil in the Dextron, in those days and it may have been a lifetime fluid for normal use, in those days-not now with the ATF changed. Like anything else if it's been taken care of it will be OK. :)

so in the early fifties you might get a stick?

yeah, they did use gm trannies. also the newer ones used i think what was a close copy of a chebby 366 motor with the block cast in aluminum, iirc.

also in the last two years or so i read that the benz tranny with the four speeds made from the fifites thru ninties was built after the benz engineers had closely studied the gm hydormatic.

before reading that i had always felt that the way the benzes shifted felt an awful lot like my 52 and 53 caddies. (with hydromatics).

thanks guys.

tom w

i have often thought that an early 50s or late forties rolls or bently wouldnt be too bad to maintain. straight six, crank windows, drum brakes probably not assisted, probably manual windows and a stick tranny.

they have a solid front axle too.

i would love all that leather and wood inside.

what about it roy? would this be tough to keep on the road too?

tom w
Very easy, with the correct tools.

thanks roy.

tom

for those who love Rolls-Royce.

A site dedicated to Rolls-Royce and Bentley Cars made between 1946 and 1965.
http://www.kda132.com/

I had been told that Mr. Albers at the dealership in Indiana had some VIN's memorized, so if a shop called for a part on so-and-so's car, he already had the VIN in his head...that would have been 20+ years ago, though.

My take, as a non-RR owner and a novice, is that they are flashy and ostentatious, but not necessarily all that well built, especially in the 70's and beyond...sort of like Cadillac was "The Standard of the World", RR is a "Proper Motor Car", even though their rivals were far more advanced technologically.

for those who love Rolls-Royce.

A site dedicated to Rolls-Royce and Bentley Cars made between 1946 and 1965.
http://www.kda132.com/

WHAT A GREAT SITE!!!

ROLLS-ROYCE will be attempting a Land Speed Record, this coming year!
A modern times challenge! With BMW, owning RR, these days, that's quite a challenge for them!

RR Aero Engines, a completely different Company than RR-BMW Motorcar Corporation, powered the vehicle that broke the Speed of Sound, a few years ago. And now RR, the Car Company, will try to best the 400+ mph record for Driven Wheel Vehicles.

Seems like ROLLS-ROYCE, is waking up and may be flexing it's new BMW Muscles. I'll try to find some direct references and articles on this and post them, if I can. I think it's possible that RR, will own 2 LSR's, but from 2 different RR's!!! FASCINATING!

Cheers Everybody! :beer:

For me the Rolls overall design look absolutly horrible. Maybe it has a spirit and a special feeling attached to it (beside the fact that you're driving the most expensive car in town) but when you see that boxy car / interior your eyes will tell you that something is just not right.

Mercedes and, especially, W126 designs are truly timeless, wonderfully balanced and a lot more enjoyable in many aspects. I just took mine to a steep mountain drive and it behaved admirably. Never will dare that with a Rolls. Cars are meant to be driven, not kept in a ball of glass.

http://www.autogaleria.pl/tapety/img/bentley/bentley_arnage_t_2002_01_m.jpg

But Rolls are not ment for sporty driving, thats what a Bentley is for. Which I like more than Rolls btw.

I can remember the first time like it was yesterday. I was riding in the car with my mom and saw this grey square box. I begged my mom to turn around WHOA PLEASE, she did. At 4yrs old I knew that it was a RR....lol for a car nut this car will always be in my mind as the first real love...uhhh sorry just reading this post brought back alot:o

"Albers Rolls-Royce in N. Indiana, near you I think, would be a great place to spend an afternoon, to learn all about this. ...I had been told that Mr. Albers at the dealership in Indiana had some VIN's memorized, so if a shop called for a part on so-and-so's car, he already had the VIN in his head...that would have been 20+ years ago, though."

There was a great article in Car & Driver about 15 years ago about a RR shop in the mid-West. I'm guessing this was it.

I remember that the owner made sure that the screws in all the electrical switchplates (in the shop) were all turned the same way. I think 12:00 & 6:00 (so that any moisture that got in would drip down).

I'd guess you'd want your RR maintained by an obsessive compulsive, assuming you had the $$$$.

this old thread. :D


BUMP

Please don't tell anyone, but there was a time when Mistress dreamed of owning a RR Silver Shadow, waxbean yellow exterior, camel interior with a rag top....I know, in the time out corner..

Well, considering your less-than-stellar parking abilities, perhaps it's just as well you didn't close the deal:

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Well, considering your less-than-stellar parking abilities, perhaps it's just as well you didn't close the deal:

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In response to Lexus' Intuitive Park Assist:

Rolls Royce. For drivers who can afford to park wherever they damn well please.

Bently? Sporty driving? Anything 4500+ lbs is not sporty :D

Bently? Sporty driving? Anything 4500+ lbs is not sporty :D
It is amazing what money can do for the seat of the pants feel. I wish I could attest first-hand. :(

This thread is pretty old, i wonder if he bought one.

In response to Lexus' Intuitive Park Assist:

Rolls Royce. For drivers who can afford to park wherever they damn well please.

I call it S class right of way for us Mercedes drivers.:D


I remember one gentleman who keep his boat at MBW that had more money than God and would park his S500 in some strange places. My favorite was with the bumper smashed up against a wood wall blocking half the driveway at the marina.:D He would just turn it off and get out wherever he wanted.

Bently? Sporty driving? Anything 4500+ lbs is not sporty :D

Its more "sporty" than a 6k pound Rolls!

look what i found. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rolls-Royce-Silver-Shadow-1973-Rolls-Royce-Silver-Shadow_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6384QQihZ006QQitemZ160151563422QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

I call it S class right of way for us Mercedes drivers.:D


I remember one gentleman who keep his boat at MBW that had more money than God and would park his S500 in some strange places. My favorite was with the bumper smashed up against a wood wall blocking half the driveway at the marina.:D He would just turn it off and get out wherever he wanted.
My late great-grandfather was like that, sans the more money than God part, with his Cadillac. Although he stopped obeying traffic lights and stop signs that were installed after the 70's so there may have been a bit more going on there :)

look what i found. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Rolls-Royce-Silver-Shadow-1973-Rolls-Royce-Silver-Shadow_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6384QQihZ006QQitemZ160151563422QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
That driver's side window would probably cost you $5K to fix. Although it would be pretty funny to see a RR with a piece of plastic duct-taped over the window :D

They really are beautifully styled cars. I'm not a fan of the taco meat color, though.

That driver's side window would probably cost you $5K to fix. Although it would be pretty funny to see a RR with a piece of plastic duct-taped over the window :D

They really are beautifully styled cars. I'm not a fan of the taco meat color, though.

I'd drive it even if where checker cab yellow.

I'd rather have the checker!

Tom W

I'd rather have the checker!

Tom W

Can't beat those 311 Clevelands can you?

Whooops!

What is a 311 Cleveland?

Tom W

Gentlemen!

We are talking about Rolls-Royce Motorcars here! :laugh3:

If you really want to own a RR, you are going to have to learn about their peculiarities and characteristics, and get aquainted with the Snap-On Tool man, he does deliver to your home inthose nice big trucks, that have EVERYTHING! You will become a proficient mechanic, in many fields, electrical, mechanical, coachwork and woodworking and fine cabinetry, and lets not forget custom painting! I have known executives who have never done anything more than an oil change in their life, become expert RR Techs and one a Certified Welder, also! I forgot to mention the LUCAS electrics, but some used Bosch, later on.

That rear window will stop to function if yopu don't use them frequently. There was a set of points relaythat would corrode and I would have to take the window and track out of the door, and clean and lubricate them, when this occured. It wasn't too bad as the engineers had made a concession for this. But then, there are other things that are impossible to fathom!

They are rather labor intensive car. But there is NOTHING else on the road like them! I don't know how the BMW ownership will change their parts situation for the older cars? I hope that they will still support them. :book:

pastmaster

I've heard that the 87 1/2 + Silver Spurs were not that bad to work on, both in time and in parts cost.

What can you relate to us on those cars?

Gentlemen!

We are talking about Rolls-Royce Motorcars here! :laugh3:

If you really want to own a RR, you are going to have to learn about their peculiarities and characteristics, and get aquainted with the Snap-On Tool man, he does deliver to your home inthose nice big trucks, that have EVERYTHING! You will become a proficient mechanic, in many fields, electrical, mechanical, coachwork and woodworking and fine cabinetry, and lets not forget custom painting! I have known executives who have never done anything more than an oil change in their life, become expert RR Techs and one a Certified Welder, also! I forgot to mention the LUCAS electrics, but some used Bosch, later on.



Nah, there is nothing on that car that cannot be fixed with a check book.:D;)

Fred and Hattie,

I forgot to mention about the $money, big $money! That's why you need to have the funds and time to maintain and repair them. Your expertise will save you $$$$$$.

Fred, I haven't worked on any late 80's RR's. A few friends have owned them and they were happy with them. They seem to be better, more modern, but not cutting edge like M-B or BMW. Lexus and Ferrari, are a different breed of Cat. I don't believe our friends the Japanese, could build a car such as the RR. It's a Cultural Phenomenon, that could only be born, and evolve from the British Empire!

To really educate yourself on these unique machines, born from Historical Antiquity, join The Rolls-Royce Owners Club. That is the BEST advice, I can tell you. You need to learn what you are getting into, and then you can enjoy the car and it's AURA, which is what a RR, is really about.

Remember the quote that there is nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes or Ferrari. With the Rolls-Royce, you just went Nuclear! You must have the maintainence records and history and ownership, of the car. A PPI, by a RR specialist, for that particular era of RR, is first thing, for you to do. It's like WAR, there is no experience like it! Ultimate Victory is Survival. Just have your eyes wide open, when you go to buy a Rolls-Royce Motorcar.

A cheap RR is not.:eek:


As mentioned in our phone discussion:

RE: A Silver Shadow that has failed to proceed, and been abandoned in a garage for twenty years (will not move or crank).

My best estimate RE: cost to make it safe to drive, and make everything function again.

#1. Engine/transmission mechanical, fuel system and ignition system.
$3,000.00 - $48,000.00

#2. Hydraulic system, Brakes, suspension and steering.
$7,000.00 - $22,000,00

#3. Body electrical, excluding climate control.
$200.00 - $11,000.00

#4. Climate control.
$300.00 - $9,800.00

#5. Body damage, paint, ever-flex top and/or interior restoration.
$3,000.00 - $78,000.00

When I was a kid, my neighbor used to work on all kinds of exotic cars. He got a mid-60's Rolls Royce in for repairs from time to time. The wood and leather in the interior were gorgeous. The rest of the car was total crap. Handled like a dump truck. The power windows wouldn't remain tightly shut, so there was a constant whistle going down the road. Broke down frequently. I had a 65 Coupe de Ville at the time. It was 10 times the car that Rolls was.

For a member looking at a cheap Silver Shadow that was abandoned for twenty years.

It sat around for 20 years? Probably just needs to be du$ted off...

Just came upon this thread (for obvious reasons). In the early '80s I was a mechanic in a high-end repair shop. The shop did lots of Rolls work, I was lucky enough to get the BMWs, Jags, MBs, Ferraris, Maseratis, an occasional Lambo, and some oddball stuff here and there instead. My work on RRs was usually in the role of helping another mechanic who was working on one. One time I answered the phone, it was one of our RR parts suppliers calling in with a quote for a Silver Shadow ignition switch. When he said "ten fifty-two" I thought that was surprisingly reasonable... maybe it was just a standard Lucas ignition switch... but he quickly followed it with "sixty-eight." Meaning the ignition switch was $1052.68. And this was 1981 0r 1982!

The cars smelled great inside, if the car had a window open you could smell the leather from across the parking lot. Plush wool carpets. Gorgeous wood, fit and finish. Felt you were driving around in your living room (well, not MY living room, but you get the idea!) Brakes felt bizarre because of the high pressure hydraulics... virtually no pedal travel whatsoever, totally different than any other car, but easy to get used to. Nice electric shift of the GM (!) automatic transmission. Never really liked the way they felt to drive, but I was a young guy who liked things a lot more sporty. Actually, I drove a Corniche with the top down one day... I could get used to that one.

Well, I've just bought one on a whim.....1980 Shadow II with 52,000 genuine miles on the clock.

Its GOLD!!....actually looks better in the flesh than it sounds.

Drives great. Everything seems to work accept the air-con, although it has been converted to run on current R134? and i've spotted a pipe that's come adrift in the engine bay, so thats the likely reason for the lack of cooling air.

Just also been looking through the paperwork that came with the car and it was originally owned by some obscure Prince, which probably explains the gold paint :P

Can highly recommend Flying Spares for new and used parts.