The rich are never taxed? The top 2% on the income scale provide 35% of the income tax revenue.

You are listening to myths that are put forth by the liberals.

I agree, this thread should be in the Open Discussion Forum. I never go there any more because I can't help myself when it comes to responding to such uninformed comments.

Have a great day,

Cop stands for "Constables on patrol"

I've always been curious about has been police though. What do the letters in Police stand for?

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Something else that may play into this is the lack of places to stop big rigs in the Northest. New England is worse. Big rigs have had to make due by stopping wherever they can pull over. The law may be a way to prevent them from sleeping at convenience stores.

plantman,

Etymology is sort of a hobby of mine. While nothing useful ever stays in my brain, bits of insignificant info does. I seem to remember police coming from an ancient greek word POLIS. I'm not positive on that.

Peter

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Just like Larry Bible said, you are buying into Liberal Democrat rhetoric / class warfare. According to the IRS, in 2003:

The top 1% contributed 34% of personal income tax paid.
The top 5% contributed 53% of personal income tax paid.
The top 10% contributed 65% of personal income tax paid.
The top 25% contributed 83% of personal income tax paid.
The top 50% contributed 96% of personal income tax paid.

The bottom 50% contributed 4% of personal income tax paid.

The data continue to show the highly progessive nature of the federal income tax.

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2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".

Actually you guys didn't understand my statement, I don't buy into that class warfare crap and am very conservative when it comes to tax's. I don't think the government has the right to a penny of anybody's money. I was refering to people when I made the statement "rich" that don't earn their money, they don't have a job. They own a company or live off investments, like Kerry's wife for example, people with money not people with a 500k dollar a year job income. My statement was ment to say it is almost not worth making over $100k a year from a job because the of the socialist government tax structure that is being set up. We live in the US not Sweden I don't want the government taking my hard earned money. No income tax or maybe a 5% flat one at most would make me happy.

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Hatterasguy you can always move to another country and see how you like it there. I bet you would ***** if they hung you with a new rope.

I guess you would rather live in a state of anarchy, with no gov or laws.

I could go into further detail, but why bother this is in the wrong section of the forum.

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You and me both, brother. I want to keep my hard-earned money. The flat tax is the fairest way to go. A 5% flat tax might be a little on the low side to keep the government running, though....

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2001 E430, Bourdeaux Red, Oyster interior.
79,200 miles.

1973 280SE 4.5, 170,000 miles. 568 Signal Red, Black MB Tex. "The Red Baron".

oldnavy I was just correcting a statement I made in this thread that was taken in the wrong light. Actually this seems to be a question of government intrusion into our lives. Why should the government decide if we can idle our diesels or not? Their our property and last time I checked we still have that. Tax's fall nicely into this discussion.

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What you don't seem to understand is that if you have any form of government it will interfear with people's live's. It's about the majority rule thing, "the needs of the many out weight the needs of the few" as Spock said. I have never been able to understand why people like the idea of no government, I wonder how long they would last when they had to defend their homes and their very lives every day from someone else with only recource the gun. Even the militia nut's form a government, and seek donations or steal from others outside their group. Humans are social and as such seek to live in groups, when ... what the hell am I wasting my time here with this crap, I have more important thing to read and discuss.

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'13 Chrysler 200 Touring Candy Red. Grandma's ride.

Age and cunning will always over come youth and vigor.

Your twisting my statements, I think the government is way to large as it is, I would like to see it shrink 50%-75% of it's current level. Maybe only a 1 trillon dollar budget? My point is government has its place but its place is not telling me to turn off my car or take my hard earned money and give it away.

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Have your cake and eat it too! There are occupations that allow sizeable portions of income in cash. If you are smart, use the cash for things that can't be traced by big brother, like vacations, entertainment, old MB repairs, hobbies, etc. As long as there is no paper trail they can't find it. Conservative appearing living to your claimed income, a decent level of deductions and you will be sitting pretty. They can't trace cash....yet! Of course these things are illegal and I would never do this or recommend it to others.... RT

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03' Volkswagen Jetta TDI blue/black, 93K
93' Chevrolet C2500HD ExCab 6.5TD, Two-tone blue, 252K

MY TURN

It never ceases to amaze me how a thread can go from a simple question about idling a diesel to a discussion on tax code. I guess that is why I like this group; it is so diverse. As an example members like PEH and I butt heads periodically and have some good bantor, but that is what makes this group so interesting. It sure beats having a dialogue with someone who can only say" yeh I hear ya man. I hear ya". At any rate.

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In my opinion the only flaw in your plan is that there are no tax deductions. The 1986 tax code overhaul made everything simple and eliminated all that. Under the old code you could deduct things like credit card interest and many other items. The 1986 code reduced the 1040 form to a basic form. HOW MUCH DID YOU MAKE. SEND IT IN. Now I'm not talking about tax payers filing a 1040 with SCHEDULES. I'm talking about the 1040 filed by Joe Lunch Bucket. We got screwed.

Hatterasguy,
I'm in your corner, man. Our Federal Government devoures tax money like there is no tomorrow. Our biggest suck hole is the defense budget. I believe that they are still pushing for a couple of new air craft carriers with an incredible price tag. We have plenty of carriers now to complete the missions. I know I'll catch some flack from Old Navy, but I'll stand my ground as a retired Master Chief Petty Officer. I have had more ocean water pass under me than than road tar. I was on USS ships which stands for under way Saturday and Sunday. We were always attached to a carrier group, and those poor carrier guys that were ship's company stood nine month rotation duty. I live just outside of Travis Air Force Base, and although I think Air Force Personnel are the greatest, I chuckle when they whimper about being from home for a few months. I've just talked about the Navy, and haven't even touched on the Air Force and Army pet projects. Are we at war? No. Is there a cold war? No. THen why do we need all these toys? Oh, I forgot. There are the generals and admirals that need something to do. It kinda reminds me of the PHD program. Admittedly many PHD programs produce graduates who make a difference in our lives, but unfortunately many programs are designed to graduate PHDs to teach others to get PHDs so they can teach others to get PHDs.

One last point.

All the stastics say that the top percent blah, blah, blah. The fact is that if someone making several million dollars pays 50 per cent that adds to the statistic. What I'm saying down and dirty is that the bottom tax bracket is 15 per cent on something like 21,000. That is a helluva bite on someone making that kind of money to survive. I do not favor a flat tax, because that is regressive. I do, however, favor a consumption tax. I don't care how you got your money. If you got it legally or illegally, just pay the tax on that yacht and we're cool.

Peter

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It's the so-called "entitlements" that is the biggest suck hole. All are illegal and unconstitional.

A consumption tax has my vote. To make it fair to low wage earners, make housing (up to a certain $ amount), health care and food tax-free.

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'05 E320 CDI - 86,000 miles
'86 300SDL - 360,000 miles
'85 300SD - 150,000 miles (sold)
'89 190D - 120,000 miles (sold)
'85 300SD - 317,000 miles (sold)
'98 ML320 - 270,000 miles (sold)
'75 300D - 170,000 miles (sold)
'83 Harley Davidson FLTC (Broken again) :-(
'61 Plymouth Valiant - 60k mikes
2004 Papillon (Oliver)
2005 Tzitzu (Griffon)
2009 Welsh Corgi (Buba)

"just pay the tax on that yacht and we're cool."

My favorite loop hole Not if an oversea's company owns it. If your paying tax's on a big boat your registered in the wrong country.

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