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Old 05-29-2010, 05:32 PM
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Some timing chain questions

I have a 603 (87 300SDL) engine w/275K-mi that had a vacuum pump failure. I have the valve cover off, vacuum pump out, pulled the side cover on the oil pan and am in the process of removing the oil pan to clean it out. The way it looks now, the timing chain and sprockets are undamaged, no scuffing or gouges, no damage to the face cam on the IP which drives the vacuum pump. The balls from the vac pump bearing went into the pan along with part of the pump casting, there are some particles in the pan, so there was some grinding of pump pieces.

The timing chain apparently skipped a tooth or two, because the car emitted a lot of black smoke when it failed and the timing chain cracked thru the valve cover, although it remained in one piece; I assume that a piece lodged in the chain as it went over the top sprocket, pushed it up and broke through the cover. There is no debris in the camshaft area, around the cam sprocket or in the valve cover.

My plan is to replace the vacuum pump and cam chain.

I guess I have two questions -
1 - Am I pretty safe doing that as long as I don't see any further damage and I clean everything out as best I can?
2 - injection timing - I've searched the method of adjusting the start of injection and it seems to rely on knowing that the cam, crank and IP are in approximately the right position before you actually set the IP position. I know there are marks on the cam and crank, is there a similar mark on the IP sprocket to tell you where to make the initial setting?

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Old 05-29-2010, 06:00 PM
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you are lucky.
did the pump make noises prior to failure?
depending on the amount off on the timing, you may have taken out some valves. or even broken the cam.
I'd pull the crossover tube, and take off the cover, and look the cam over carefully.
if all checks out well, you might be able to just put the chain back on in time, and reset the chain tensioners and be in business with just a new vacuum pump!
how does the pump ramp look?
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Old 05-30-2010, 10:52 AM
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Hi,
No noises before failure, but I did know it was going because it lost brake boost and engine shut off. It's my wife's car and as luck would have it she was dealing with her mother's knee replacement and needed the car, so we took a chance. Bad decision.

The pump ramps on the IP sprocket are also OK. I have looked at the cam - it is OK and I am now pulling the oil pan, I can see some debris thru the side cover and I want to clean the whole thing out, also gives a view of the crank timing chain sprocket.

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