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Old 09-04-2004, 06:50 PM
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Talking Your peer group may think you are nuts.

But we see the diesel side of life.

Fellows, she has all the signs of terminal diesel bug bite.

Sorry, Jennifer, no known cure.

May I enquire, what is your major?

Diesel technology I hope.

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Old 09-04-2004, 07:13 PM
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Your crazy?

I just bought an 83 240 DL Volvo for $175 and drove it home.
If an 83 Euro EFI engine with 150K+ on it does not worry one, I don't know what would..

Beware the 126, it'll ruin you on your 123...
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Old 09-05-2004, 08:32 AM
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An engine number prefix of 603.960 or 961 is a 3 liter head cracker and a prefix of 603.970 is a 3.5 liter rod bender. Being facetious, folks. The head casting number is another thing.

I don't think $1500 in parts and $975 in labor buys a proper upgrade of 603.970 rods.

From a decision logic standpoint, is it worth checking? You might find out that you have a 3 liter with a -17- or higher head which is good or find out that you have a 3.5 liter which is less good (but not necessarily bad) or heaven forbid a 3.5 liter with a -14- head which is even less good (but still not necessarily bad). Are you looking to maximize benefit or minimize risk? If you're sleeping well at night since the purchase, do you want to put that at risk?

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Either way, whatever it is, it's mine and it works fine. It is so much more refined than my 240d.

Guys, I have a problem with the defrost vents bleeding air when it is closed. it fogs up the glass when the a/c is on. i have to resort to squirting the blue washer stuff and turning on the wipers to clear it. is there a way to fix this?
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Old 09-05-2004, 08:52 AM
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Yeah, but you made decide (as I have, for now) to live with it. The vacuum pods in the center are probably shot. Replacements are available, but you have to take out the center veneer and glove box, pop out the radio and the electronic brain for the climate control, pop out the center console, then replace the critter. I think some people have managed to change it doing less, but it all cases its an exercise in mild torture. Widely acknowledged as one of the biggest pain DIY jobs there is on a 126.
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Old 09-05-2004, 10:48 AM
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Jen,

You caught the disease: Mercedesitius. Get one MB, and the only cure is to buy more.

Rebuilt ENGINE for $1500, no way, more like $6000 to $8000. Sounds like your car got a used ENGINE transplant. But it could have been rebuilt at one time.

However at the price you bought the car, you can spend many thousands on it and still be OK. I would put some money aside for repairs because they could be expensive but worth doing. Unfortunately, there is less you can do yourself because these cars are more complicated.

Good luck with it.

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Old 09-05-2004, 11:37 AM
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Your crazy?

I just bought an 83 240 DL Volvo for $175 and drove it home.
If an 83 Euro EFI engine with 150K+ on it does not worry one, I don't know what would..

Beware the 126, it'll ruin you on your 123...
The B23F in your 240 will easily go to 300K before rings are needed. It's an overbuilt engine with a very large crank and large rods. It's also very simple to work on. Check out www.brickboard.com and look at the RWD section. Lots of 240 owners there.

For engine info, check the 700/900 FAQ via the features pull down menu. The B23f and B230F are very similar in design. The B230F is a lower friction engine for better gas mileage.


Also, there is a seam running behind the front seats. It tends to rust from water getting into the passenger section. Check it out. I'm just trying to help.
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Old 09-05-2004, 01:02 PM
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The B23F in your 240 will easily go to 300K before rings are needed. It's an overbuilt engine with a very large crank and large rods. It's also very simple to work on. Check out www.brickboard.com and look at the RWD section. Lots of 240 owners there.

For engine info, check the 700/900 FAQ via the features pull down menu. The B23f and B230F are very similar in design. The B230F is a lower friction engine for better gas mileage.


Also, there is a seam running behind the front seats. It tends to rust from water getting into the passenger section. Check it out. I'm just trying to help.
Will do, thank you. It's an AZ car and I have found no rust at all visable from the outside, just got it home friday and have had no time to get under it. Will later today though. I kinda like the little thing..
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the front of the injection pump has a plate on it with id numbers. if you can these numbers we can tell which motor you have, but it sounds like the 6 cylinder, 3.0L motor that was used on 86-87 300SDL's and 300DT's. those motor have a head cracking issue in some cases. if you read the head casting numbers near the #2 cyl we can tell you if you have an updated head. "14 01" is an original, >= "17 01" is revised.

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Old 09-05-2004, 03:08 PM
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If only the defrost actuator is bad you can get to it by pulling the glove box. You'll be working blind so practice your hands on the recirc actuators visible when the glove box is out. Your choice as to whether to replace the diaphragms or whole actuator. My experience is that the defrost actuator needs all the travel it can get to fully close the defrost vents so you might as well spend for a new actuator. The diaphragms leave the actuator less effective. Not as big a problem on the single chamber actuators.

First thing to do is check the defrost vent actuator for vacuum leaks. Check at both nipples on the actuator. If you feel motivated, pull the passenger kick panel, the passenger lower dash panel and the passenger tranny tunnel panel to expose the bank of actuator switchover valves. Check that each line holds vacuum. You'll need a system diagram to determine which line goes where. It's unlikely that only the defrost actuator is bad. If the center vent actuator is good, leave it be. As tjohn says, it's a tedious job to replace the actuator. I lucked out with a replacement diaphragm. I don't think I could do it again.

The defrost actuator with replacement diaphragms in the SDL is slow to react. When I start the car after the heater core's been soaking in hot coolant (why did MB design it this way?) and the AC comes on, there's an aurora borealis of steam on the windshield that quickly clears as the monovalve closes and cool air comes through.

Some people never grow up. My face is red as I describe to a woman a system with diaphragms and nipples

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Old 09-05-2004, 04:56 PM
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Typical Mercedes thread. By the time you get the air vents to blow right, you'll breathe a sigh of relief when the mechanic tells you they need to swap out the engine.

They must have been nuts when they added computers to control the vacuum operated systems. Even they think so.
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Old 09-10-2004, 11:03 PM
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Some people never grow up. My face is red as I describe to a woman a system with diaphragms and nipples

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be nice. and thanks for the info. i will live with it until the spring. it's not going to be a problem in the winter.

sounds like the problem is the 'actuator' --whatever it is.
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Old 09-12-2004, 12:53 AM
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Congrats on your great buy. You may never drive another car again. Except for when you happen to walk by 'lil Pete and he looks at you with those forelorn lights...

I just bought some replacement rubber diaphrams for the vacuum pods in my 300SD and 300SDL. They were $5 a piece.
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Old 09-12-2004, 01:07 AM
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Jen, I figured out how you can tell which flavor of 603 is under the hood of the SDL. Mash the throttle in gear and see how high it revs. A 603.96 is good for 4800-5200 rpm (more if you're Dslbnz), a 603.97 is limited to ~4300rpm. And what a way to get to know your new ride

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Old 09-12-2004, 08:55 AM
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Now thats a good test. You probably should find out if you ever need to buy engine parts you would need to know.

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