Source for Baldwin oil filters
 

Figured I would start a new thread on this one. I found this site that offers Baldwin filters. I just ordered (6) Baldwin filters through www.adiesel.com Use the "Baldwin Automotive Catalog" link. 6 filters with shipping was $95.00 Sure its more than most MB filters but I simply refuse to put filters with questionable media in my MB. Until someone can show me that the problem has been corrected I won't buy another Hengst, Mann, Knecht, etc. Baldwin has a very good reputation in the fleet and trucking industry so even if they subcontract out this filter it is likely made to fairly high standards. I can't speak for Associated Diesels service yet but they were close to me, offered online ordering and a decent price with volume discounting. Guess I'm the guinea pig on this one.... RT

I agree with you on Baldwin's reputation, but has one actually been torn apart?

Just wondering...thanks!

This one was discussed in one of the megathreads and IIRC it is paper? top and bottom but it is divided into main and bypass sections. Unlike the all paper wix 51385 which is not divided, it is a full flow filter.

The Baldwin number is P102, I think.

I am cheap but I came away convinced that the Baldwin is worth the money.

I am referring to filters for the 617.

Edit: In one of those threads someone said the Fram Ch2930 looked good. That filter is made in Hungary. I don't think anyone cut one open to see what is inside. I bought two of them at Pep Boys and they do look good outside.

The NAPA Gold filter is divided into two sections also, or at least it appeared to be. When I change it about First of Dec I will rip apart and see.

As an additional note - The two sections are divided internally as well. It looks like there would be a good seal to prevent flow from one section to another.

RWT,

I have been doing some research on the filter for the 603. Apparently Baldwin purchases it from Champion Labs Luberfiner division.

In further discussions with Luberfiner, it appears that Luberfiner also purchases the filter for both the 603 and the 617 from somebody else! I could not get them to divulge this info.

I have received the limited engineering specification for the Luberfiner filter for both engines. The 617 appears to be a bypass filter with 242 square inches of paper and it has a 20 micron rating. There is even more limited data in the 603 filter. I have requested Champion to go back to the manufacturer for more data and they agreed to attempt to do this.

I am going to buy a case of the filters for the 603 and see what I get.
What is interesting, however, is that the price for each filter will likely be about $11.00. This is significantly less than Baldwin and about $1.00 less than OE. They have confirmed that the filter includes the O-ring and copper sealing washers.

This whole business of oil filters is fraught with murky dealings between "manufacturers" and "distributors". You cannot figure out who the ultimate manufacturer of the filter really is. :mad:

If you get a case of 617 filters also, I will buy a few.

I'm going to firm up the pricing for both the 603 and the 617. Then I'll post the name of the distributor, the p/n, and the price. You'll be able to purchase them direct. I also need to verify that they will go with a quantity of six and not 12.

A couple of days...........

I'm more concerned about the durability of an oil filter than what's inside. Somebody reported that Fram has "clean" filter media inside, but it happened to me once that a Fram filter had partially disintegrated after a few thousand miles. I've used Hengst ever since and I've never seen any disintegration.

Are you buying a case of Baldwins or Champion/Lubifiner? Excellent legwork on this :) Thank you.

Brian all of the 603 filters look the same and seem to be built the similer. I bet they come from two factories one in India and one in Europe. Good detective work though. :cool:

here is the deal
 

We can buy a quantity of six filters for the 603 or the 617. These are sold by Champion under their "Luberfiner" division, however, they are purchased from somebody else.

These are the same filters that Baldwin purchases.

The local distributor is:

All System Brake
Telephone: 631-491-4000
Contact name: Joe

Part numbers:

603: P829
617: P825

Pricing:

603: $12.47 plus shipping (you must purchase six)
617: $12.42 plus shipping (you must purchase six)

Could not get the pricing down into the $11.00 range because of insufficient quantity.

You might be able to get similar pricing from a local distributor of Luberfiner if you can find one. It's not easy.

This whole business of oil filters is fraught with murky dealings between "manufacturers" and "distributors". You cannot figure out who the ultimate manufacturer of the filter really is.:mad: "
Well said, Brian! The truth is no one in the parts business wants to let proprietary source info out for some reason. Is no one proud of the manufacturer, the place that assembles the filters, or do they even know or want to know?
OK all the philosophical stuff aside, thanks for the work finding someone that sells them, $11 or $12 is reasonable to me, I'll probably buy 6 unless I find a local distributor. I am certain on one thing though, I'll not use Hengst, Mann or OE filters ever again! Thanks to the ShopForum :D
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The deal is that when you find out who the manufacturer is, you will just go and buy the filter from them. That's exactly what we just did to Baldwin. :eek:

Unfortunately, we need to find out who makes the filter for Champion. No success on this. :(

I am still not convenced that the "Luberfiner" filters are any better then the German makes for the 603. I want to see one cut open, so far the oe one I cut apart looked the best.

There has been no convincing attempted. This filter is simply a Baldwin in disguise. It could be a better filter, or it could be the same old crap.

We'll see.........

If you need a source for the Baldwins, check out Zoro Tools Industrial Supplies just dont buy up so many they raise the prices!

maybe this isnt the best place to ask this but... what's wrong with the mann filters? aren't those oem? is there a reason to go out of the way to get one of these baldwin filters?

Baldwins have the best filtration we can find so far

Call me stupid or lazy, but I couldnt find the P102 on there...

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This is where I just bought my P102s. Around 14.00
Be careful to pick the Baldwin filter.
The have a Donaldson replacement that pops up when
you search for "P102" Might be just as good, but for 2 bucks
more I got the genuine Baldwins. Bought a bunch of filters
for my WVO, as well. Cheapest I found online.

Jeff

yeah but shipping kills ya. I need to find someone local...

x2 and the search engine is pretty much a complete loss as well.

Well from other places, if you order a bunch, it seems like you can get them in the $16-18 range...

How much is a Mann these days?

I pay around $15 locally for Mann. I have seen prices all over the place for online ordering ($10 to $22).

I just tried this and it returns only Fleetguard and Fram cross-refs on the search, when I use the Baldwin number....

Note the Hastings LF380 is the same filter and on some sites sells for less.

When I ask Baldwin for some information in the past at the bottom of the page it had Baldwin/Hastings a the person the Email came from.

Some info on the Hatings LF380
http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/247597-napa-gold-filters-4.html

That http://www.zorotools.com/ tool place has the Hastings LF380 Oil filters for $10.28 each. If you purchase over $50 they claim free shipping.
Put the Hastings LF380 into the search box but when the page opens up you have to scroll down.
In My area Granger sells them.

I picked up Mann oil filters for my 603 at just over $8 each. Over $50- free shipping.

Not sure I understand everything being discussed... so Baldwin = Hastings = NAPA Gold?

Thanks

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$14.95/ea for Baldwin P102 filters.

I wish... I'm in Canada. Never free shipping, and more $$$ to ship.

When you live in market about 1/10 of the CONUS market population-wise, spread over a larger geographic area, it just isn't the same....

Hey, thanks. Not only do they ship to Canada, the cost is very fair as well (note: maybe not if its using FedEx ground... they charge an attractive fee for the initial shipping then hit the recipient with a pile of add-ons, once it crosses the border. UPS does similar stuff).

Balwin=Hastings
Napa Gold is on their own; at least in California.

good info, thats a great price....the baldwin fuel filters are tight too dont remember exactly but from what I could find they were 1 micron nominal and 4 absolute. I've got a couple of CAT 2 micron absolutes which I need to get adapters made to put on....but for an LOF the Baldwin is the way to go

Not sure if they're that tight; I think more along the lines of 5 micron nominal/20 micron absolute. Nevertheless, Baldwin brand filters are some of the better, non-OEM brand filters one can find.

Full disclosure, I work for the company I linked to above. Maye should have mentioned above but I was in a hurry.

The time of My own Project the CAT 1R-0750 Fuel Filter was advartised as 2 absolute microns but about a year or so ago there is a change. The claim is that the tests have trouble measuring that low.

Even if the CAT Fuel Filter is not a 2 absolute Micron Filter it has better filtration than the Stock 10 nominal micron Filter and it is also about 2.5 times larger of a filter.