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Old 10-14-2004, 06:58 PM
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Source for Baldwin oil filters

Figured I would start a new thread on this one. I found this site that offers Baldwin filters. I just ordered (6) Baldwin filters through www.adiesel.com Use the "Baldwin Automotive Catalog" link. 6 filters with shipping was $95.00 Sure its more than most MB filters but I simply refuse to put filters with questionable media in my MB. Until someone can show me that the problem has been corrected I won't buy another Hengst, Mann, Knecht, etc. Baldwin has a very good reputation in the fleet and trucking industry so even if they subcontract out this filter it is likely made to fairly high standards. I can't speak for Associated Diesels service yet but they were close to me, offered online ordering and a decent price with volume discounting. Guess I'm the guinea pig on this one.... RT

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Old 10-14-2004, 07:25 PM
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I agree with you on Baldwin's reputation, but has one actually been torn apart?

Just wondering...thanks!
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Old 10-14-2004, 11:43 PM
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I agree with you on Baldwin's reputation, but has one actually been torn apart?

Just wondering...thanks!
This one was discussed in one of the megathreads and IIRC it is paper? top and bottom but it is divided into main and bypass sections. Unlike the all paper wix 51385 which is not divided, it is a full flow filter.

The Baldwin number is P102, I think.

I am cheap but I came away convinced that the Baldwin is worth the money.

I am referring to filters for the 617.

Edit: In one of those threads someone said the Fram Ch2930 looked good. That filter is made in Hungary. I don't think anyone cut one open to see what is inside. I bought two of them at Pep Boys and they do look good outside.

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Old 10-14-2004, 11:51 PM
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The NAPA Gold filter is divided into two sections also, or at least it appeared to be. When I change it about First of Dec I will rip apart and see.
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Old 10-15-2004, 09:31 AM
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I picked up my Baldwin today. Holy crap $18

It looks very well made. High quality rubber o rings/washers, I'm impressed. Should be for $18 though. As the picture shows in the Baldwin link in an earlier post, it has 2 sections of metal with equal size holes. Pleated material in both sections, however the upper section has pleats spaced further apart than the lower section. The upper pleats are white and the lower pleats a more normal yellow/gold color. The lower section pleats are densly packed. I can just tell looking around inside (with a flashlight) it is well made, no sloppiness with glue or rubber washers/o rings.

Curious to see what effect, if any, it has on my oil pressure. Unfortunately I won't install it untill next spring as I just changed the oil and will probably park the car for the winter before I hit the change mileage.
As an additional note - The two sections are divided internally as well. It looks like there would be a good seal to prevent flow from one section to another.
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Old 10-15-2004, 11:32 AM
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RWT,

I have been doing some research on the filter for the 603. Apparently Baldwin purchases it from Champion Labs Luberfiner division.

In further discussions with Luberfiner, it appears that Luberfiner also purchases the filter for both the 603 and the 617 from somebody else! I could not get them to divulge this info.

I have received the limited engineering specification for the Luberfiner filter for both engines. The 617 appears to be a bypass filter with 242 square inches of paper and it has a 20 micron rating. There is even more limited data in the 603 filter. I have requested Champion to go back to the manufacturer for more data and they agreed to attempt to do this.

I am going to buy a case of the filters for the 603 and see what I get.
What is interesting, however, is that the price for each filter will likely be about $11.00. This is significantly less than Baldwin and about $1.00 less than OE. They have confirmed that the filter includes the O-ring and copper sealing washers.

This whole business of oil filters is fraught with murky dealings between "manufacturers" and "distributors". You cannot figure out who the ultimate manufacturer of the filter really is.

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Old 10-15-2004, 12:26 PM
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If you get a case of 617 filters also, I will buy a few.
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I'm going to firm up the pricing for both the 603 and the 617. Then I'll post the name of the distributor, the p/n, and the price. You'll be able to purchase them direct. I also need to verify that they will go with a quantity of six and not 12.

A couple of days...........
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I'm more concerned about the durability of an oil filter than what's inside. Somebody reported that Fram has "clean" filter media inside, but it happened to me once that a Fram filter had partially disintegrated after a few thousand miles. I've used Hengst ever since and I've never seen any disintegration.
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RWT,

I have been doing some research on the filter for the 603. Apparently Baldwin purchases it from Champion Labs Luberfiner division.

In further discussions with Luberfiner, it appears that Luberfiner also purchases the filter for both the 603 and the 617 from somebody else! I could not get them to divulge this info.

I have received the limited engineering specification for the Luberfiner filter for both engines. The 617 appears to be a bypass filter with 242 square inches of paper and it has a 20 micron rating. There is even more limited data in the 603 filter. I have requested Champion to go back to the manufacturer for more data and they agreed to attempt to do this.

I am going to buy a case of the filters for the 603 and see what I get.
What is interesting, however, is that the price for each filter will likely be about $11.00. This is significantly less than Baldwin and about $1.00 less than OE. They have confirmed that the filter includes the O-ring and copper sealing washers.

This whole business of oil filters is fraught with murky dealings between "manufacturers" and "distributors". You cannot figure out who the ultimate manufacturer of the filter really is.
Are you buying a case of Baldwins or Champion/Lubifiner? Excellent legwork on this Thank you.
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Old 10-15-2004, 01:04 PM
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Brian all of the 603 filters look the same and seem to be built the similer. I bet they come from two factories one in India and one in Europe. Good detective work though.
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here is the deal

We can buy a quantity of six filters for the 603 or the 617. These are sold by Champion under their "Luberfiner" division, however, they are purchased from somebody else.

These are the same filters that Baldwin purchases.

The local distributor is:

All System Brake
Telephone: 631-491-4000
Contact name: Joe

Part numbers:

603: P829
617: P825

Pricing:

603: $12.47 plus shipping (you must purchase six)
617: $12.42 plus shipping (you must purchase six)

Could not get the pricing down into the $11.00 range because of insufficient quantity.

You might be able to get similar pricing from a local distributor of Luberfiner if you can find one. It's not easy.

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This whole business of oil filters is fraught with murky dealings between "manufacturers" and "distributors". You cannot figure out who the ultimate manufacturer of the filter really is. "
Well said, Brian! The truth is no one in the parts business wants to let proprietary source info out for some reason. Is no one proud of the manufacturer, the place that assembles the filters, or do they even know or want to know?
OK all the philosophical stuff aside, thanks for the work finding someone that sells them, $11 or $12 is reasonable to me, I'll probably buy 6 unless I find a local distributor. I am certain on one thing though, I'll not use Hengst, Mann or OE filters ever again! Thanks to the ShopForum
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The truth is no one in the parts business wants to let proprietary source info out for some reason. Is no one proud of the manufacturer, the place that assembles the filters, or do they even know or want to know?
The deal is that when you find out who the manufacturer is, you will just go and buy the filter from them. That's exactly what we just did to Baldwin.

Unfortunately, we need to find out who makes the filter for Champion. No success on this.
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Old 10-15-2004, 01:57 PM
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I am still not convenced that the "Luberfiner" filters are any better then the German makes for the 603. I want to see one cut open, so far the oe one I cut apart looked the best.

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