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Old 12-03-2004, 03:38 PM
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Coolant Warning Light ?

Three times now my dash Coolant Warning Lamp has come on while I'm driving. The first two times it was after about 20min of mostly Highway driving on my way to work. The light came on but the Temperature gauge was normal and rock steady at about 85 deg.. The light went out again after a few minutes. The 1st time this happened, I pulled over and checked under the hood, but everything appeared normal. No visible leaks, Top Rad hose was normally hot and pliable (no abnormal pressure), The coolant tank level was normal. I also checked again after it had sat for a few hours and all levels were normal.

Second time I was only minutes from the office so I kept a close eye on the gauges (normal) and kept going. Again light went out after a few minutes. The third time the light just came on very briefly when I was forced into some hard braking by the 'doughnut' in front of me , but went out straight away. Again all temperatures and levels appeared normal.

Any ideas anybody?

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Old 12-03-2004, 04:48 PM
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Mine acted identical to what you describe as my cracked head was getting worse. The level would go down under higher rpms, then return close to normal when idling. It drove me crazy since the light would be on when on the highway, then go off when I slowed down. Finally had wifey bring the rpms up while I watched the coolant tank and sure enough you could see it slowly dropping. I chalked it up to air (combustion gases, actually) getting trapped in the system from the crack in the head.

Hope yours is something as simple as a bad coolant level sensor (definitely a possibility), but I would be checking for cold cooling system pressure. If you come out in the morning and your top radiator hose is stiff, start budgeting for a new head. Sorry to be the bearer of potentially bad news...
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Old 12-04-2004, 12:25 AM
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I hope you are wrong too, but I will check the top hose tomorrow morning.
Did your running temperature change at all because of the cracked head?

Where does the coolant go when the engine is revved? If combustion gases were getting into the system from a cracked head, you would think the level would rise and be forced out the overflow.

Is it possible I have air trapped in the cooling system somewhere that is compressed at highway speeds allowing the coolant to drain out of the tank?

How do you check for a bad level sensor?
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Old 12-04-2004, 09:48 AM
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My 86 SDL had a similar symptom.

I would get the light at speeds over 50, but it went out when I stopped and idled for a moment. I was curious, so I opend the hood, revved and watched the coolant level drop. Sure enough, at idle the level went up.

It must have been an air bubble...

I topped off the reservoir, and all was well for a while, but the light came on the next week. Topped off again, and it came back, but sooner.

Ultimate problem was a radiator leak along the lower seam which allowed coolant to leak away slowly.

Top the coolant up, right to the rim. Some may overflow, but you'll know it's FULL. Wait and see if the problem returns.

If it does, you are losing coolant, and must find out from where.

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Old 12-04-2004, 09:58 AM
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Thanks for all the input.

Checked this morning and the top rad hodse is still nice and pliable, so it doesn't seem that compression gases are getting into the coolant system.

The coolant level (cold) was absolutely normal, about half an inch from top of coolant tank, so I am not losing any coolant. Rad was replaced two years ago BTW.

I will try revving the engine when warm to see if the coolant tank level drops significantly. It does drop about an inch when the engine is running and fully warm, but returns to normal a few minutes after switching off.

I'm hoping this is just a bad sensor, Does anybody know how to check these?
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Old 12-04-2004, 10:24 AM
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If the warning light is on before you start the car, and goes off after you start the car, and then comes back on after some driving time, the sensor is most likely OK, performing as is should, and responding to reservoir level.

If so, the remaining question is why is the level dropping. Probably air in the system, but how much, and where is it coming from? Ah, that'll be the mystery.

Come, Watson, the game's afoot!

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Old 12-05-2004, 01:21 AM
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Update

Well after two trips when the coolant light didn't come on at all (except when first turning the key of course), it has started playing up again. Same thing as before - comes on after about 20 mins of highway driving and goes off once you slow down like when you exit onto city streets.

When I got home I had the trouble-and-strife (wife) rev the engine to about 2000-3000rpm while I watched the coolant tank. Sure enough the level kept dropping until it was about an inch from the bottom. Once she backed off it rose back to normal. It looks like the level sensor is working fine and doing its job.

I'm starting to agree with 'Jim H' about trapped air, although I don't understand why this has suddenly appeared as a problem. The only related things are that now the colder weather is here I am using the Block Heater most nights and have the heater position on the ACC when driving.

Maybe there was air trapped in the heater core or could the Block Heater cause air bubbles to form? What is the best way to bleed out this air?
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Old 12-05-2004, 09:22 AM
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If there is just a single incidence of trapped air, it should work its way out pretty quickly, I would think. In my case, at first I would need to add coolant every 1500-2000 miles, then it progressively came to the point of needing to add coolant every 500 miles or so. I don't think any was being forced out the overflow, rather small amounts were being burnt. I didn't really notice any difference in the temperature gauge as the problem progressed. Good luck and keep us informed as to what you find out, we are all in this together.
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Old 12-05-2004, 11:23 AM
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Thanks for the support, I'll keep you posted.
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Old 12-09-2004, 01:07 PM
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Problem Fixed?

I write this with fingers crossed and touching wood at alltimes

Three days ago I topped up the coolant tank high enough that coolant would drain into the radiator. There must have been air in the top of the rad because I was able to pour in about 1.5 - 2 Quarts of coolant before it backed up into the coolant tank.

Since then I have had no repeat of the' Low Coolant Light' coming on during highway driving and the coolant level hasn't moved. I have also checked the top hose each morning and it remains pliable so there is no excessive pressure build-up.

Hopefully the problem was just air trapped in the Heater core that was released into the main system once I started using the heater in the recent colder weather.

Thanks again for all the advice.

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