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Old 06-08-2005, 10:42 AM
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is there anything i should know before replacing compressor,dryer,& expansion valve?

just wondering if there are any "tricks of the trade". any tips? thanks in advance
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Old 06-08-2005, 11:04 AM
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just wondering if there are any "tricks of the trade". any tips? thanks in advance
Nylog and proper type "O" rings for the job.....along with the other tools I am sure you know about.
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This is not the psychic hotline....they make a lot more money than we do...
How are we supposed to know if you are missing some key (but simple ) concept ?

1. Tell us what procedures and the order you are going to perform them and we will try to make sure you are ' covered' in terms of knowledge....

2. Have you read lots and lots of the AC threads on this forum ?

3. Have you read lots of the posts on forums like Aircondition.com ?

4. What tools do you have assembled ?

5. Do you own any literature on Auto Air Conditioning ?

I consult THREE books when doing AC work on my MB... the MB factory AC manual , a generic AUTO AC manual , and a generic HVAC manual...

This is particularly important regarding your safety... the warnings don't tend to get posted on the forum with people concentrating on deciphering symptoms and trying to describe fixes....

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Old 06-08-2005, 11:46 AM
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Listen to leathermang...he is one of the resident experts in the field.
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"he is one of the resident experts in the field."

EKK ! TOO MUCH PRESSURE to live up to !

But I will try to consult the normal sources and pass on anything it looks like you have missed....
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:09 PM
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"he is one of the resident experts in the field."

EKK ! TOO MUCH PRESSURE to live up to !

But I will try to consult the normal sources and pass on anything it looks like you have missed....

Hey around here you adn LaryBible are the closest we have to a resident A/C guru............I'm embarking on a project to fix my W123 A/C and convert my W116 back to R-12......so I am reading all I can before I start...
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Old 06-08-2005, 12:16 PM
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I consult THREE books when doing AC work on my MB... the MB factory AC manual , a generic AUTO AC manual , and a generic HVAC manual...

This is particularly important regarding your safety... the warnings don't tend to get posted on the forum with people concentrating on deciphering symptoms and trying to describe fixes....
I have an ASE approved textbook (Auto Service & Repair by Stockel, Stockel & Johanson) that I find very helpful for this sort of thing. It's huge, over 1,000 pages, and explains automotive systems and tools in a way that's easy to understand. It assumes that you don't know what you are doing, so it's filled with warnings wherever there is a chance for personal injury.
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"filled with warnings wherever there is a chance for personal injury."

About 1972 I hooked up a can of R12 to the high side of a car's AC.... I was really lucky that I felt of it....and realized that it being HOT was not the right symptom... it could have easily exploded in my face.... and I did not have goggles on .... I was just really really lucky that I was not blinded in my moment of ignorance... it was hanging from the hood right at face level...
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Old 06-09-2005, 09:43 AM
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This is not the psychic hotline....they make a lot more money than we do...
How are we supposed to know if you are missing some key (but simple ) concept ?

1. Tell us what procedures and the order you are going to perform them and we will try to make sure you are ' covered' in terms of knowledge....

2. Have you read lots and lots of the AC threads on this forum ?

3. Have you read lots of the posts on forums like Aircondition.com ?

4. What tools do you have assembled ?

5. Do you own any literature on Auto Air Conditioning ?

I consult THREE books when doing AC work on my MB... the MB factory AC manual , a generic AUTO AC manual , and a generic HVAC manual...

This is particularly important regarding your safety... the warnings don't tend to get posted on the forum with people concentrating on deciphering symptoms and trying to describe fixes....
i'm planning on replacing the compressor first, then expansion valve, then dryer. yes, i have read many of the AC threads, but only the ones in diesel discussion. i have not checked out aircondition,com. i don't have any specialized tools. i'll do some more reading and figure out what i need. i am taking it to my dad's mechanic to have him flush out the system and pull a vacuum on it. i'm charging it with duracool and adding a can of duracool oil.
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"i'm planning on replacing the compressor first, then expansion valve, then dryer. yes, i have read many of the AC threads, but only the ones in diesel discussion. i have not checked out aircondition,com. i don't have any specialized tools. i'll do some more reading and figure out what i need. i am taking it to my dad's mechanic to have him flush out the system and pull a vacuum on it. i'm charging it with duracool and adding a can of duracool oil."

1. Order four 12oz cans of R12 on Ebay using your father's mechanic's certification number.. can be shipped directly to his address. It may be illegal to use Duracool in your state.... but even if it isn't illegal it is foolish. Plenty has been written about this... check out ' alternative to R12' and use either mine or Larry Bible's name for search...

The compressor , expansion valve would be taken off to free up the other end of the AC Hoses....so you can flush through them. Do not open up the cap on a new compressor until you are ready to hook the hoses to it... pretty much meaning at your mechanics shop immediately after the flushing.

Your current expansion valve should be modified according to the Mercedes AC manual to be used as a tool for flushing the two hoses as they go forward out of the passenger compartment. The Evaporator is not usually flushed.

If you can find a way to clean the input side of the OUTSIDE of the Evaporator fins... look up Dmorrison's post about cleaning his... you will be way ahead of the game...

The receiver/dryer is the last thing to be hooked up.... the cap should be left on and it installed in the car... then upcap it and hook up the newly flushed hoses to it as quickly as possible and then start evaucation.

R-12 alternatives

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Old 06-09-2005, 12:29 PM
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You need a good set of Tubing wrenches for the expansion valve job and I hope you are comfortable working while standing on your head.

Be careful when putting the manifold back on the compressor and make sure you have the correct seals. There are several different seal types on these compressors. Get the bolt threaded through the manifold into the compressor before tightening the clamps on the lines at their mountings. Get everything fit in place with all bolts started, then tighten the manifold bolt first and make sure it is in correct position before tightening the other mountings.

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If you can find a way to clean the input side of the OUTSIDE of the Evaporator fins... look up Dmorrison's post about cleaning his... you will be way ahead of the game...


Can you elaborate on this?

I'm in the same boat as this cat who made this thread, had to fix the charging system first with a dual groove pulley and new belts proir. I need only to order still a Fan Switch yet, the High Pressure switch, and lil line from Dryer/Acc to Condensor (total system failure on my vehicle)

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Your current expansion valve should be modified according to the Mercedes AC manual to be used as a tool for flushing the two hoses as they go forward out of the passenger compartment. The Evaporator is not usually flushed.
Can you explain this procedure for us?

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